Win8 is still the default bundle with every PC sold and generates a hell of alot more money then most of Sonys divisions.

But ya, gotta hand it to Sony fans, they are the #1 fanbase, by far, in accepting what Sony announces, downplays their troubles, believes they actually care about them, and has complete faith in what they do.

That said, their downplaying of Sony forecasting yet another year of a billion+ in losses is both commendable and sad.

Lets also forget that due to sony not being able to get there stuff together atleast 5000 people will now be jobless

Cant downplay mismanagement forever. Cant wait to hear what their excuses for losses will be next year since they dropped their PC and TV division.

Got to hand it to MS fans, they still think MS care about them even after they try to hit them with DRM.

It goes on the idea that the fanbase is accountable for eachother. That the vocal speak for the masses and thereby also represent them. We are not individuals that just happen to own the same console....we are part of a team with similar ideas and cultures. Even if some don't agree with eachother, the people of every fanbase are bound by a consencus on certain subjects by default.

I also believe in the idea of "perception = reality" where you are only viewed in the reality of how your peers and enemies view you, not by how you percieve yourself.

I personally see this as no different int he real world, where oversimplified generalizations are the norm. Unfair, biased, and sample sizes not indicative of the whole? You betcha. Still the norm and is human nature to continue to do so. It is simple and immediate rather then doing painstaking research, only to have even that refuted just as easily.

I can most definately be called out for something another number of Xbox fans say but myself personally didn't say. It is unfair, but I feel I am accountable for my fellow fans by default. I apologize and in the future I do my part to change the opinions of fellow fans accordingly.

The real situation here is that Microsoft has so so much more money for ensuring that the Xbox brand outlasts the PlayStation irrespective of however Sony fanboys play it with all the more power and frames per second etc etc. Heard it all before with the cell and look how that turned out. Unfortunately Sony may eventually have to break up the business to survive as has become evident with the recent pc and TV moves.... accept it guys - It ain't looking pretty for Sony. Microsoft simply have a better business model moving forward. This will ultimately translate to Xbox One being more financially stable and viable. Sony on the other hand are hanging on tenterhooks. This will inevitably affect PlayStation 4's prospects.

Well they listened and changed it didn't they? They also throw their money around more with 3rd parties then Sony, giving us timed exclusives, DLC, and 3rd party exclusives. I must say I feel appreciated.

You really need to go into the Vita thread then XD

The loses should continue till 2015 because it sounds like Sony themselves only expects to become profitable sometime in 2016.