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Anfebious on 06 February 2014

I wonder why people seem to think the problem is the customer.

Rule number 1 guys: "The customer is always right"



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justinian on 06 February 2014
Justagamer said:


I've always thought the gamecubes problem was one simple thing: it was a purple box with a handle. I loved the GameCube, it was probably my favorite one of the three. I can't help but think it would have been taken more seriously if Nintendo made it look..... Normal. A rectangular design of some kind, make it black or grey, and more people would not have been embarrassed to own one. Cartideges in the n64 were the first nail in nintendos 3rd party coffin, the purple handled box was the last.

That is something I have agreed with all along. That kiddie lunch box look didn't go down well with the image of a "hardcore" gamer. Maybe that was their intention, to make it kid like. Hence many were very likely were sold to kids who had no interest in the "adult" third-party games on the console resulting in poor sales. This is of course, conjecture.

Although not related I believe the lack of DVD playback was a big turn off for many. For me, starting university when the xbox, ps2 and GC were at the height of battle that feature was very important. For so many students wanting to double up a DVD player with a console the GC was ignored. At that time Blockbusters were for renting games and DVDs for a good "boys" night in.

Yet like you it was my favourite of the three, simply because my roomate had one, probably the only one campus.



CDiablo on 06 February 2014
KylieDog said:
Naum said:

No "we" don't buy alot 3rd party games beacuse 75% of them either suck, miss key features, severly overpriced or doesn't have the main fanbase fot that kind of game


Yet still buy the Nintendo games with the same issues.   That is the point.

Well you cant compare 1st party titles to anything else like you can 3rd party. Sucking and overpriced is based on the consumer and I havent bought a Nintendo published game that wasnt worth its sticker price(eeemm.....except Other M). The 3rd party games like Mass Effect, COD or Batman dont suckon the U they are just lesser versions of games that can be gotten on other consoles.



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Xen on 06 February 2014
etking said:

I personally think that Pachter is partly right. I don't own a Wii-U (and would most likely only buy Nintendo games for it but just because there are no good 3rd games available that can compete quality-wise) but I bought more than 60 games on former Nintendo consoles. And almost all of them were made or published by Nintendo.

The reason is just that Nintendo's own games are too good (which can easily confirmed by metacritic reviews), so 3rd party developers have a very hard time to compete in quality. Why buy a bad 3rd party game when you can buy a better Nintendo game instead.

Gameboy: None of my 20 (or so) games were made by a third party company, since all Square and Enix JRPGs were published by Nintendo.
SNES: None of my 20 (or so) games were made by a third party company, since all Square and Enix JRPGs were published by Nintendo.
N64: only two of my 15 (or so) games were made by a third party company (Turok 2 and Turok Rage Wars).
Gamecube: one of my 10 (or so) games was made by a third party company (Soul Calibur 2).
3DS: None of my 2 games was made by a third party company.
Dreamcast: 2 of my 10 (or so) games was made by a third party company (Soul Calibur and Metropolis Street Racer).

PS2: All of my 10 (or so) games were 3rd party because Sony's 1st party games cannot compete quality-wise, look at Knack as a recent example. There really is a huge quality gap between Wild Arms and Zelda and between Crash Bandicoot and Super Mario.

Since I like JRPGs, I bought a lot of 3rd party games on my PS2, since the PS2 has no good 1st and 2nd party games all, at least none that could compete in quality with Nintendo's best games.

The problem was just that Nintendo games were of a much higher quality, so why buy 3rd party crap? On Sony's consoles you have no choice because Sony does not make any Nintendo-quality games that I could like.

On the other hand, if there are no good 3rd party games to buy, you will not be able buy them. If there had been good 3rd party JRPG titles on N64, Gamecube or Dreamcast, I would wave definitely bought them.

Cherrypicking a game, and then stating all the rest as fact. Also, I love the logic of made by Squaresoft and published by Nintendo as a FIRST PARTY GAME.

You know what? Nintendo fanboys are the problem.



burninmylight on 06 February 2014
snyps said:

i know i'm a fanboy and all but did he really just compare ZeldaHd remake to ico/gow collection remake and call that a valid criticism? wtf he's a flaming sony fanboy.

 

FROM THE ARTICLE: Here’s an example of a valid criticism: “$50 is too much for any HD remake, especially when Sony gave us HD sets with multiple games for $40 on the PS3.”

 

just look at the gamecube price on ebay

http://www.ebay.com/sch/Video-Games-/139973/i.html?_from=R40&_sop=15&LH_BIN=1&_nkw=wind+waker+gamecube&_dcat=139973&rt=nc&LH_ItemCondition=2750

and then check out the ps2 ico price...

http://www.ebay.com/sch/Video-Games-/139973/i.html?_from=R40&LH_BIN=1&_sop=15&LH_ItemCondition=2750&_nkw=ico&_dcat=139973&Platform=Sony%2520PlayStation%25202&rt=nc

 

So aside from the fact that Windwaker is more valuable than the ps2 sets.   There was also more done to Celda than just adapting to HD such as gameplay enhancements, altered quests, added gamepad features... Clearly this article is written from someone that is not impartial.

Great post, but now I'm pissed off I sold my GC copy for only $25!



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aryu on 06 February 2014
snyps said:
aryu said:
snyps said:

i know i'm a fanboy and all but did he really just compare ZeldaHd remake to ico/gow collection remake and call that a valid criticism? wtf he's a flaming sony fanboy.

 

just look at the gamecube price on ebay

http://www.ebay.com/sch/Video-Games-/139973/i.html?_from=R40&_sop=15&LH_BIN=1&_nkw=wind+waker+gamecube&_dcat=139973&rt=nc&LH_ItemCondition=2750

and then check out the ps2 ico price...

http://www.ebay.com/sch/Video-Games-/139973/i.html?_from=R40&LH_BIN=1&_sop=15&LH_ItemCondition=2750&_nkw=ico&_dcat=139973&Platform=Sony%2520PlayStation%25202&rt=nc

 

pffft

In that case, no game is better than the Nintendo World Championships 1990 on the NES because it is the most expensive.

the argument is in regards to price justification. besides ppl don't buy nwc 90 to play with it.


In that case why would someone buy ICO PS2 or WindWaker GC when they could own it on PS3/WiiU respectively in a higher resolution?



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kupomogli on 06 February 2014
Xen said:
etking said:

I personally think that Pachter is partly right. I don't own a Wii-U (and would most likely only buy Nintendo games for it but just because there are no good 3rd games available that can compete quality-wise) but I bought more than 60 games on former Nintendo consoles. And almost all of them were made or published by Nintendo.

The reason is just that Nintendo's own games are too good (which can easily confirmed by metacritic reviews), so 3rd party developers have a very hard time to compete in quality. Why buy a bad 3rd party game when you can buy a better Nintendo game instead.

Gameboy: None of my 20 (or so) games were made by a third party company, since all Square and Enix JRPGs were published by Nintendo.
SNES: None of my 20 (or so) games were made by a third party company, since all Square and Enix JRPGs were published by Nintendo.
N64: only two of my 15 (or so) games were made by a third party company (Turok 2 and Turok Rage Wars).
Gamecube: one of my 10 (or so) games was made by a third party company (Soul Calibur 2).
3DS: None of my 2 games was made by a third party company.
Dreamcast: 2 of my 10 (or so) games was made by a third party company (Soul Calibur and Metropolis Street Racer).

PS2: All of my 10 (or so) games were 3rd party because Sony's 1st party games cannot compete quality-wise, look at Knack as a recent example. There really is a huge quality gap between Wild Arms and Zelda and between Crash Bandicoot and Super Mario.

Since I like JRPGs, I bought a lot of 3rd party games on my PS2, since the PS2 has no good 1st and 2nd party games all, at least none that could compete in quality with Nintendo's best games.

The problem was just that Nintendo games were of a much higher quality, so why buy 3rd party crap? On Sony's consoles you have no choice because Sony does not make any Nintendo-quality games that I could like.

On the other hand, if there are no good 3rd party games to buy, you will not be able buy them. If there had been good 3rd party JRPG titles on N64, Gamecube or Dreamcast, I would wave definitely bought them.

Cherrypicking a game, and then stating all the rest as fact. Also, I love the logic of made by Squaresoft and published by Nintendo as a FIRST PARTY GAME.

You know what? Nintendo fanboys are the problem.

If he wanted RPGs, then he clearly kept on backing the wrong horse.



Faust on 06 February 2014
Anfebious said:

I wonder why people seem to think the problem is the customer.

Rule number 1 guys: "The customer is always right"


Well, Nintendo is the one to blame no doubt about it,  but the thing about N-fans not buying 3rd party games (apparently due the highest quality of nintendo games) seems like a more interesting topic :P



ninetailschris on 06 February 2014
Anfebious said:
I'll make a summary of the article for you guys!

The main problem seems to be that Nintendo fans don't buy enough third party support. That gives the signal to third parties that Nintendo's systems are not a platform where they should make games.

He also says that buying a Nintendo console for Nintendo games alone is being a close minded person. He also seems to dislike Pokemon, Mario and Zelda and enjoys third party games on Nintendo's systems. He is kind of an odd ball if you ask me.

In conclusion he thinks that Nintendo's current situation is not by Nintendo itself but because of it's fanboys.

The "nintendo fans don't buy third parties" is not accurate. They will buy games towards the market they created. Look at the high sales of casual third party games on wii. Nintendo fans are not interested in the same third party as Sony and microsoft.



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snyps on 06 February 2014
aryu said:
snyps said:
aryu said:

In that case, no game is better than the Nintendo World Championships 1990 on the NES because it is the most expensive.

the argument is in regards to price justification. besides ppl don't buy nwc 90 to play with it.


In that case why would someone buy ICO PS2 or WindWaker GC when they could own it on PS3/WiiU respectively in a higher resolution?


to play it on their gamecube ps2.