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withdreday on 06 February 2014
Wonktonodi said:
withdreday said:
Wonktonodi said:
withdreday said:


People just speak in exacts way too much. Thing is, the DS already passed the PS2 in 2012 and the PS4 is already the fastest system to 1 million of all time, so I laugh at people who keep saying "it'll never happen" like they know what they're talking about.

These are the same people who said handhelds are dead because of shitty phone and tablet games that get boring after 2 seconds. They honesly have no clue.

If Sony ever get's their head out of their arses as far as the stock situation goes and they spring up a great blockbuster first party franchise, the PS4 can easily reach 100 million again. Just look at how quickly it's selling out when ever it even touches store shelves ffs.

PS4 is a BEAST


the ds passed the ps2? You would think that would be common knowledge if true especially on a sales site.

 

As for the speed of sales. the Wii was selling so fast that people were sure it would sell 200 million. But it really slowed down. phones and tablets have really eaten into the dedicated video game market. total hardware sales have been down every year since 2008. In fact Nintendo alone sold more hardware in 08 than all 3 combined last year

Yep, couldn't find the original story since vg chartz did a format switch and probably nuked it, but seeing as the PS2 just went out of production, I can't see it changing much.

http://www.screwattack.com/news/nintendo-ds-surpasses-playstation-2-lifetime-sales

And yeah the Wii sold fast too, but 1) Not this fast. You could find Nintendo Wiis everywhere and the demand was nowhere near as high as the PS4's is now. 2) It wasn't as expensive and the PS4 is now which only means BETTER sale prospects for the PS4 once eventual price cuts are issued, and 3)The Wii's software quality sharply declined in the last 3 or so years of it's life cycle, so you can bet that that was a deep cut sales-wise for long time gamers that may have wanted it only for exclusives down the road. That was much more of a culprit to the Wii's decline than tablets and cell games ever could have been.

Another point is the Wii Marketed to strongly casuals which we clearly see by the Wii U's sales and lack of interest in Kinect 2.0 that they aren't a very reliable audience as far as carry over goes and they're the only ones where the cell phone/tablet argument comes in to play.

That's why it's imperative that the PS4 gets hardcores on board as they're the only ones who purchase games outside of Mario and Sonic and they likely won't be satisfied by the likes of a tablet offering over a full-fledged gameplay experience.

They also buy blockbusters and smaller titles and keep up a consoles momentum by even buying multiple systems once a new edition comes out(PS4 slim anyone?). Also, if they support it enough, the blockbusters only type gamer will follow along with kids and semi casuals like the PS2 had. If all that happens, the PS4 can at least challenge the PS2 in sales and maybe even software.

Plus I think the game market only "shrunk" because the consoles were so expensive last gen and not to mention that Gen 7 just lasted way too long. As we can see by the run on PS4s, the console market was in vast need of some new blood.

yeah that article got taken down since they had the ps2 undertraked, notice the totals there compared to the totals on the site now. 

true the wii didn't sell this fast but lining up weeks the ps4 is now down. the point I was making there is that the wii was ahead of the ps2 when lined up for a few YEARS, when people were making those predictions. We're only a few months in right now.

it is possible for the ps4 to do amazing things but it is unlikely with how the markets have diversified.

Last gen was huge 5 systems over 80 million. We won't be seeing that again. 3 systems are already way down and I hate to say it but it really is because of phones and tablets. The more casual part of the market are content enough with them. Look at the yearly charts on this site and go from 2008 until now. Notice those numbers drop and that's withough having ps2 numbers in there so even the sofware rise after that is a little deceptive.

Either way, the DS got within striking distance which people would have thought was possible. Plus look at the 3DS. People said that soccer moms would just buy their children tablets and be done with it. One holiday season at $169 and that was blown clean out of the water.

I think you're seriously over estimating ultra casual's(i.e one's that would be enticed by tablet games) impact on the gaming market. The PS One did fine without them and ultimately the PS2 did too. I just don't know were all this "the game market has shrunk" stuff is coming from.

Doing some quick numbers crunching and combining the sales for the PS3, 360 (which both split the PS2 fan base) and the Wii shows total sales of 265.87 million consoles sold vs only 204.07 million for gen 6, and that's not even counting hendheld systems, so if anything, gaming has GROWN and big time, not gotten smaller and a large portion of it happening  within the tablet era including the monster GTAV. So really if tablets haven't took over by now, it's not going to. Plain and simplet unless there's a gaming crash due to high budgets or something.

And the consoles are down because it's after the holiday season and this dip happens every year at this time. I love when people call gloom and doom at this time of year because it just shows they don't follow the industry that well and just like to jump on the "consoles are done" bandwagon which gets wiped out every hoilday season which is just hilarious to see repeat .

But anyway, tablets well NEVER overtake or eat into the dedicated  gaming market. That ship sailed with the 3DS becoming a smash hit.



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Soundwave on 06 February 2014

It would need to have MGSV, GTAVI, Final Fantasy XV, Dragon Quest XI, and Kingdom Hearts III exclusive ... like the PS2 did.



xJustex on 06 February 2014

Like the post above stated, it would need Resident Evil, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, Kingdom Hearts, Devil May Cry, CastleVania, Silent Hill, Grand Theft Auto, etc. to all be at their best again and to be exclusive. All these franchises have declined considerably or are now multi-plat.



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Wonktonodi on 06 February 2014
withdreday said:

Either way, the DS got within striking distance which people would have thought was possible. Plus look at the 3DS. People said that soccer moms would just buy their children tablets and be done with it. One holiday season at $169 and that was blown clean out of the water.

I think you're seriously over estimating ultra casual's(i.e one's that would be enticed by tablet games) impact on the gaming market. The PS One did fine without them and ultimately the PS2 did too. I just don't know were all this "the game market has shrunk" stuff is coming from.

Doing some quick numbers crunching and combining the sales for the PS3, 360 (which both split the PS2 fan base) and the Wii shows total sales of 265.87 million consoles sold vs only 204.07 million for gen 6, and that's not even counting hendheld systems, so if anything, gaming has GROWN and big time, not gotten smaller and a large portion of it happening  within the tablet era including the monster GTAV. So really if tablets haven't took over by now, it's not going to. Plain and simplet unless there's a gaming crash due to high budgets or something.

And the consoles are down because it's after the holiday season and this dip happens every year at this time. I love when people call gloom and doom at this time of year because it just shows they don't follow the industry that well and just like to jump on the "consoles are done" bandwagon which gets wiped out every hoilday season which is just hilarious to see repeat .

But anyway, tablets well NEVER overtake or eat into the dedicated  gaming market. That ship sailed with the 3DS becoming a smash hit.

note these numbers are missing ps2 sales in hardware in addition to all other 6th gen systems and limited pc sofware sales throw the total sofware off a bit.

this is far from gloom and doom this time of year. this is 5 years in a row of consoles sales being down yoy. and if we had ps2 data and better pc data I wouldn't be surprised if software was the same.

3ds is not a smash hit. it's doing ok. The fact it seems like a smash hit is just because everything has dropped so far.

2008

Global Hardware by Platform

Platform Yearly (change) Total
DS 29,663,772 (+1%) 93,798,015
Wii 24,188,263 (+46%) 43,696,333
PSP 14,048,403 (+10%) 46,433,518
X360 10,913,123 (+38%) 26,772,474
PS3 10,204,758 (+29%) 19,378,853
Total 89,018,319(+19%)  

Global Software by Platform

Platform Yearly (change) Total
Wii 177,044,396 (+137%) 260,313,964
DS 155,417,503 (+41%) 369,291,328
X360 108,909,458 (+77%) 198,413,677
PS3 88,788,171 (+139%) 127,995,128
PSP 48,081,613 (+24%) 137,702,412
PC 5,857,447 (+101%) N/A
Total 584,098,588(+80%)  

 

2009

Global Hardware by Platform

Platform Yearly (change) Total
DS 27,573,530 (-7%) 121,371,545
Wii 21,295,417 (-12%) 64,991,750
PS3 12,997,974 (+27%) 32,376,827
X360 10,160,518 (-7%) 36,932,992
PSP 9,855,987 (-30%) 56,289,505
Total 81,883,426(-8%)  

Global Software by Platform

Platform Yearly (change) Total
Wii 181,775,778 (+3%) 442,089,742
DS 143,959,471 (-7%) 513,250,799
X360 107,118,181 (-2%) 305,531,858
PS3 96,837,921 (+9%) 224,833,049
PSP 40,816,572 (-15%) 178,518,984
PC 6,187,437 (+6%) N/A
Total 576,695,360(-1%)

 

2010

Global Hardware by Platform

Platform Yearly (change) Total
DS 20,620,707 (-25%) 141,480,558
Wii 17,320,956 (-18%) 82,096,418
PS3 13,896,438 (+7%) 46,388,642
X360 13,253,914 (+32%) 49,961,079
PSP 9,243,328 (-6%) 65,532,833
Total 74,335,343(-9%)  

Global Software by Platform

Platform Yearly (change) Total
Wii 182,659,103 (+1%) 624,192,454
X360 133,691,251 (+25%) 439,223,109
PS3 131,311,968 (+36%) 356,145,017
DS 121,814,412 (-15%) 634,727,081
PSP 45,302,493 (+11%) 223,821,477
PC 15,728,587 (+154%) N/A

Total

 630,507,814

(+9%)

 

2011

Global Hardware by Platform

Platform Yearly (change) Total
PS3 14,706,691 (+6%) 61,095,333
X360 13,808,365 (+4%) 63,769,444
3DS 13,250,062 (++4%) 13,250,062
Wii 11,522,685 (-33%) 93,428,231
DS 8,759,675 (-57%) 149,983,510
PSP 7,459,539 (-20%) 73,171,078
PSV 481,573 (-20%) 481,573
Total 69,988,590(-6%)  

Global Software by Platform

Platform Yearly (change) Total
X360 154,515,522 (+16%) 593,730,573
PS3 148,974,355 (+13%) 505,393,130
Wii 135,502,236 (-26%) 759,686,776
DS 81,003,668 (-33%) 715,693,577
PSP 31,654,789 (-29%) 255,005,796
PC 29,631,542 (+89%) N/A
3DS 26,797,294 (++89%) 26,797,294
PSV 425,230 (++89%) 425,230
Total 608,504,636(-3%)  

Global Hardware by Platform

Platform Yearly (change) Total
3DS 14,112,182 (+7%) 27,362,244
PS3 12,150,117 (-15%) 72,527,213
X360 10,677,206 (-22%) 74,287,471
Wii 5,082,024 (-56%) 98,473,186
PSP 4,220,108 (-43%) 77,314,350
PSV 3,674,466 (+663%) 4,156,039
DS 3,012,615 (-66%) 152,996,125
WiiU 2,247,216 (-66%) 2,247,216
Total 55,175,934(-20%)  

2012

Global Software by Platform

Platform Yearly (change) Total
X360 132,807,443 (-12%) 719,541,730
PS3 126,991,592 (-13%) 626,660,982
Wii 71,605,224 (-46%) 826,393,925
DS 39,739,571 (-50%) 751,824,811
3DS 38,911,081 (+47%) 65,346,923
PC 32,878,549 (+10%) N/A
PSP 15,054,141 (-53%) 270,522,009
PSV 8,885,821 (+1,990%) 9,311,051
WiiU 4,509,317 (++1,990%) 4,509,317
Total 471,382,739(-21%)

Global Hardware by Platform

Platform Yearly (change) Total
3DS 14,849,340 (+5%) 42,211,584
PS3 8,282,795 (-32%) 80,810,008
X360 5,828,960 (-45%) 80,116,431
PS4 4,397,385 (-45%) 4,397,385
WiiU 3,232,667 (+44%) 5,479,883
PSV 3,121,285 (-15%) 7,277,324
XOne 3,087,421 (-15%) 3,087,421
PSP 2,973,884 (-30%) 80,288,234
Wii 1,949,850 (-62%) 100,423,036
DS 818,084 (-73%) 153,814,209
Total 48,541,671(-12%)  

2013

Global Software by Platform

Platform Yearly (change) Total
PS3 140,134,242 (+10%) 766,795,224
X360 118,388,077 (-11%) 837,929,807
3DS 57,522,993 (+48%) 122,869,916
Wii 41,639,415 (-42%) 868,033,340
PC 27,597,707 (-16%) N/A
DS 24,092,650 (-39%) 775,917,461
WiiU 15,120,179 (+235%) 19,629,496
PSP 10,446,098 (-31%) 280,968,107
PSV 10,432,567 (+17%) 19,743,618
PS4 9,390,233 (++17%) 9,390,233
XOne 7,769,191 (++17%) 7,769,191
Total 462,533,352(-2%)

the total numbers are dropping big time. while tablets and smart phones are on the rise.



AZWification on 06 February 2014

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withdreday on 06 February 2014
Wonktonodi said:
withdreday said:

Either way, the DS got within striking distance which people would have thought was possible. Plus look at the 3DS. People said that soccer moms would just buy their children tablets and be done with it. One holiday season at $169 and that was blown clean out of the water.

I think you're seriously over estimating ultra casual's(i.e one's that would be enticed by tablet games) impact on the gaming market. The PS One did fine without them and ultimately the PS2 did too. I just don't know were all this "the game market has shrunk" stuff is coming from.

Doing some quick numbers crunching and combining the sales for the PS3, 360 (which both split the PS2 fan base) and the Wii shows total sales of 265.87 million consoles sold vs only 204.07 million for gen 6, and that's not even counting hendheld systems, so if anything, gaming has GROWN and big time, not gotten smaller and a large portion of it happening  within the tablet era including the monster GTAV. So really if tablets haven't took over by now, it's not going to. Plain and simplet unless there's a gaming crash due to high budgets or something.

And the consoles are down because it's after the holiday season and this dip happens every year at this time. I love when people call gloom and doom at this time of year because it just shows they don't follow the industry that well and just like to jump on the "consoles are done" bandwagon which gets wiped out every hoilday season which is just hilarious to see repeat .

But anyway, tablets well NEVER overtake or eat into the dedicated  gaming market. That ship sailed with the 3DS becoming a smash hit.

note these numbers are missing ps2 sales in hardware in addition to all other 6th gen systems and limited pc sofware sales throw the total sofware off a bit.

this is far from gloom and doom this time of year. this is 5 years in a row of consoles sales being down yoy. and if we had ps2 data and better pc data I wouldn't be surprised if software was the same.

3ds is not a smash hit. it's doing ok. The fact it seems like a smash hit is just because everything has dropped so far.

2008

Global Hardware by Platform

Platform Yearly (change) Total
DS 29,663,772 (+1%) 93,798,015
Wii 24,188,263 (+46%) 43,696,333
PSP 14,048,403 (+10%) 46,433,518
X360 10,913,123 (+38%) 26,772,474
PS3 10,204,758 (+29%) 19,378,853
Total 89,018,319(+19%)  

Global Software by Platform

Platform Yearly (change) Total
Wii 177,044,396 (+137%) 260,313,964
DS 155,417,503 (+41%) 369,291,328
X360 108,909,458 (+77%) 198,413,677
PS3 88,788,171 (+139%) 127,995,128
PSP 48,081,613 (+24%) 137,702,412
PC 5,857,447 (+101%) N/A
Total 584,098,588(+80%)  

 

2009

Global Hardware by Platform

Platform Yearly (change) Total
DS 27,573,530 (-7%) 121,371,545
Wii 21,295,417 (-12%) 64,991,750
PS3 12,997,974 (+27%) 32,376,827
X360 10,160,518 (-7%) 36,932,992
PSP 9,855,987 (-30%) 56,289,505
Total 81,883,426(-8%)  

Global Software by Platform

Platform Yearly (change) Total
Wii 181,775,778 (+3%) 442,089,742
DS 143,959,471 (-7%) 513,250,799
X360 107,118,181 (-2%) 305,531,858
PS3 96,837,921 (+9%) 224,833,049
PSP 40,816,572 (-15%) 178,518,984
PC 6,187,437 (+6%) N/A
Total 576,695,360(-1%)

 

2010

Global Hardware by Platform

Platform Yearly (change) Total
DS 20,620,707 (-25%) 141,480,558
Wii 17,320,956 (-18%) 82,096,418
PS3 13,896,438 (+7%) 46,388,642
X360 13,253,914 (+32%) 49,961,079
PSP 9,243,328 (-6%) 65,532,833
Total 74,335,343(-9%)  

Global Software by Platform

Platform Yearly (change) Total
Wii 182,659,103 (+1%) 624,192,454
X360 133,691,251 (+25%) 439,223,109
PS3 131,311,968 (+36%) 356,145,017
DS 121,814,412 (-15%) 634,727,081
PSP 45,302,493 (+11%) 223,821,477
PC 15,728,587 (+154%) N/A

Total

 630,507,814

(+9%)

 

2011

Global Hardware by Platform

Platform Yearly (change) Total
PS3 14,706,691 (+6%) 61,095,333
X360 13,808,365 (+4%) 63,769,444
3DS 13,250,062 (++4%) 13,250,062
Wii 11,522,685 (-33%) 93,428,231
DS 8,759,675 (-57%) 149,983,510
PSP 7,459,539 (-20%) 73,171,078
PSV 481,573 (-20%) 481,573
Total 69,988,590(-6%)  

Global Software by Platform

Platform Yearly (change) Total
X360 154,515,522 (+16%) 593,730,573
PS3 148,974,355 (+13%) 505,393,130
Wii 135,502,236 (-26%) 759,686,776
DS 81,003,668 (-33%) 715,693,577
PSP 31,654,789 (-29%) 255,005,796
PC 29,631,542 (+89%) N/A
3DS 26,797,294 (++89%) 26,797,294
PSV 425,230 (++89%) 425,230
Total 608,504,636(-3%)  

Global Hardware by Platform

Platform Yearly (change) Total
3DS 14,112,182 (+7%) 27,362,244
PS3 12,150,117 (-15%) 72,527,213
X360 10,677,206 (-22%) 74,287,471
Wii 5,082,024 (-56%) 98,473,186
PSP 4,220,108 (-43%) 77,314,350
PSV 3,674,466 (+663%) 4,156,039
DS 3,012,615 (-66%) 152,996,125
WiiU 2,247,216 (-66%) 2,247,216
Total 55,175,934(-20%)  

2012

Global Software by Platform

Platform Yearly (change) Total
X360 132,807,443 (-12%) 719,541,730
PS3 126,991,592 (-13%) 626,660,982
Wii 71,605,224 (-46%) 826,393,925
DS 39,739,571 (-50%) 751,824,811
3DS 38,911,081 (+47%) 65,346,923
PC 32,878,549 (+10%) N/A
PSP 15,054,141 (-53%) 270,522,009
PSV 8,885,821 (+1,990%) 9,311,051
WiiU 4,509,317 (++1,990%) 4,509,317
Total 471,382,739(-21%)

Global Hardware by Platform

Platform Yearly (change) Total
3DS 14,849,340 (+5%) 42,211,584
PS3 8,282,795 (-32%) 80,810,008
X360 5,828,960 (-45%) 80,116,431
PS4 4,397,385 (-45%) 4,397,385
WiiU 3,232,667 (+44%) 5,479,883
PSV 3,121,285 (-15%) 7,277,324
XOne 3,087,421 (-15%) 3,087,421
PSP 2,973,884 (-30%) 80,288,234
Wii 1,949,850 (-62%) 100,423,036
DS 818,084 (-73%) 153,814,209
Total 48,541,671(-12%)  

2013

Global Software by Platform

Platform Yearly (change) Total
PS3 140,134,242 (+10%) 766,795,224
X360 118,388,077 (-11%) 837,929,807
3DS 57,522,993 (+48%) 122,869,916
Wii 41,639,415 (-42%) 868,033,340
PC 27,597,707 (-16%) N/A
DS 24,092,650 (-39%) 775,917,461
WiiU 15,120,179 (+235%) 19,629,496
PSP 10,446,098 (-31%) 280,968,107
PSV 10,432,567 (+17%) 19,743,618
PS4 9,390,233 (++17%) 9,390,233
XOne 7,769,191 (++17%) 7,769,191
Total 462,533,352(-2%)  

the total numbers are dropping big time. while tablets and smart phones are on the rise.

It's dropping for old hardware and sharply rising for the newness. Tablets and Smart phones have nothing to do with it because they've can't offer the game play experiences that real gaming system can.

Why do you think the 3DS has risen so sharply? It's the software that can't be found on any tablet or smart phone device.

If the same thing happens for the PS4 and they get a few big hits, the same thing will playout there. I don't see what's so hard for tablet fans to understand about that.



torok on 06 February 2014
Nintentacle said:
They need Nintendo and Microsoft to go bankrupt soon, but that's not going to happen.




Bet with jetforcejiminy: PS4 will pass the Wii lifetime numbers.

Asriel on 06 February 2014

Ideas that will expand the market outside the core market. PS2 had DVD playback, Singstar, Eyetoy and the first iterations of Guitar Hero. Peripheral driven social games that helped to drive PS2 beyond the usual core and mainstream markets, which it dominated through an extensive, excellent software library.

Sony might have a shot at wider success because of Nintendo's failure with Wii U. Wii cut the family market out from under Sony's feet last generation, Wii U's position as a niche device means Sony may be able to move into this market in a few years time to ensure good longevity for PS4.