Wonktonodi said:
withdreday said:
Wonktonodi said:
withdreday said:
People just speak in exacts way too much. Thing is, the DS already passed the PS2 in 2012 and the PS4 is already the fastest system to 1 million of all time, so I laugh at people who keep saying "it'll never happen" like they know what they're talking about.
These are the same people who said handhelds are dead because of shitty phone and tablet games that get boring after 2 seconds. They honesly have no clue.
If Sony ever get's their head out of their arses as far as the stock situation goes and they spring up a great blockbuster first party franchise, the PS4 can easily reach 100 million again. Just look at how quickly it's selling out when ever it even touches store shelves ffs.
PS4 is a BEAST
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the ds passed the ps2? You would think that would be common knowledge if true especially on a sales site.
As for the speed of sales. the Wii was selling so fast that people were sure it would sell 200 million. But it really slowed down. phones and tablets have really eaten into the dedicated video game market. total hardware sales have been down every year since 2008. In fact Nintendo alone sold more hardware in 08 than all 3 combined last year
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Yep, couldn't find the original story since vg chartz did a format switch and probably nuked it, but seeing as the PS2 just went out of production, I can't see it changing much.
http://www.screwattack.com/news/nintendo-ds-surpasses-playstation-2-lifetime-sales
And yeah the Wii sold fast too, but 1) Not this fast. You could find Nintendo Wiis everywhere and the demand was nowhere near as high as the PS4's is now. 2) It wasn't as expensive and the PS4 is now which only means BETTER sale prospects for the PS4 once eventual price cuts are issued, and 3)The Wii's software quality sharply declined in the last 3 or so years of it's life cycle, so you can bet that that was a deep cut sales-wise for long time gamers that may have wanted it only for exclusives down the road. That was much more of a culprit to the Wii's decline than tablets and cell games ever could have been.
Another point is the Wii Marketed to strongly casuals which we clearly see by the Wii U's sales and lack of interest in Kinect 2.0 that they aren't a very reliable audience as far as carry over goes and they're the only ones where the cell phone/tablet argument comes in to play.
That's why it's imperative that the PS4 gets hardcores on board as they're the only ones who purchase games outside of Mario and Sonic and they likely won't be satisfied by the likes of a tablet offering over a full-fledged gameplay experience.
They also buy blockbusters and smaller titles and keep up a consoles momentum by even buying multiple systems once a new edition comes out(PS4 slim anyone?). Also, if they support it enough, the blockbusters only type gamer will follow along with kids and semi casuals like the PS2 had. If all that happens, the PS4 can at least challenge the PS2 in sales and maybe even software.
Plus I think the game market only "shrunk" because the consoles were so expensive last gen and not to mention that Gen 7 just lasted way too long. As we can see by the run on PS4s, the console market was in vast need of some new blood.
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yeah that article got taken down since they had the ps2 undertraked, notice the totals there compared to the totals on the site now.
true the wii didn't sell this fast but lining up weeks the ps4 is now down. the point I was making there is that the wii was ahead of the ps2 when lined up for a few YEARS, when people were making those predictions. We're only a few months in right now.
it is possible for the ps4 to do amazing things but it is unlikely with how the markets have diversified.
Last gen was huge 5 systems over 80 million. We won't be seeing that again. 3 systems are already way down and I hate to say it but it really is because of phones and tablets. The more casual part of the market are content enough with them. Look at the yearly charts on this site and go from 2008 until now. Notice those numbers drop and that's withough having ps2 numbers in there so even the sofware rise after that is a little deceptive.
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Either way, the DS got within striking distance which people would have thought was possible. Plus look at the 3DS. People said that soccer moms would just buy their children tablets and be done with it. One holiday season at $169 and that was blown clean out of the water.
I think you're seriously over estimating ultra casual's(i.e one's that would be enticed by tablet games) impact on the gaming market. The PS One did fine without them and ultimately the PS2 did too. I just don't know were all this "the game market has shrunk" stuff is coming from.
Doing some quick numbers crunching and combining the sales for the PS3, 360 (which both split the PS2 fan base) and the Wii shows total sales of 265.87 million consoles sold vs only 204.07 million for gen 6, and that's not even counting hendheld systems, so if anything, gaming has GROWN and big time, not gotten smaller and a large portion of it happening within the tablet era including the monster GTAV. So really if tablets haven't took over by now, it's not going to. Plain and simplet unless there's a gaming crash due to high budgets or something.
And the consoles are down because it's after the holiday season and this dip happens every year at this time. I love when people call gloom and doom at this time of year because it just shows they don't follow the industry that well and just like to jump on the "consoles are done" bandwagon which gets wiped out every hoilday season which is just hilarious to see repeat .
But anyway, tablets well NEVER overtake or eat into the dedicated gaming market. That ship sailed with the 3DS becoming a smash hit.
