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J_Allard said:
Aren't he and mortimer the guys who always rail on Xbone games for having less than 1080p60 specs? And yet this game which is neither 1080p nor 60fps will "expand the gap"? So are they confirming they are full of shit or are they confirming specs don't really matter as much as they and people here always claim? I mean.. if they're this impressed by such an ugly title.


Ugly? where did you get official trailers and screenshots? and I don't mean those "leaked" shots. At least wait until an official gameplay reveal to judge it.

Most negatives on Xbone having less than 1080p 60fps was at multiplats since thats a direct comparison with PS4 which cost 100$ less from what I can remember Ryse was praised for its graphics everywhere.



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I'm an "xbox guy" and The Order looks fu****g awesome!!!



Rafux said:


 
At least wait until an official gameplay reveal to judge it.

 

So many posts in this thread and we needed exactly that much for the post that nails this thread.



This game will be the next gen best graphical cinematic experience, no doubt.

But people who expect it to have unanimously recognized better realistic graphics than Ryse will be disappointed. I predict many Ryse vs The Order graphics threads with no clear objective winner and many incredulous Sony fans in front of the pro-Ryse (rightful) obstination that Ryse is da best graphx.

Whatever thuway said.

I think we will have to wait for the next God of War to better compare it with Ryse.



globalisateur said:
This game will be the next gen best graphical cinematic experience, no doubt.

But people who expect it to have unanimously recognized better realistic graphics than Ryse will be disappointed. I predict many Ryse vs The Order graphics threads with no clear objective winner and many incredulous Sony fans in front of the pro-Ryse (rightful) obstination that Ryse is da best graphx.

Whatever thuway said.

I think we will have to wait for the next God of War to better compare it with Ryse.


LMAo ryse is a launch title are not even the best looking one out now, no launch titles were that impressive not even shadow fall, the order, infamous will be big leaps from them. You are forgetting infamous numerous previews from sites said it is the first game that really seems next gen graphically, it is very impressive.



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FlamingWeazel said:
globalisateur said:
This game will be the next gen best graphical cinematic experience, no doubt.

But people who expect it to have unanimously recognized better realistic graphics than Ryse will be disappointed. I predict many Ryse vs The Order graphics threads with no clear objective winner and many incredulous Sony fans in front of the pro-Ryse (rightful) obstination that Ryse is da best graphx.

Whatever thuway said.

I think we will have to wait for the next God of War to better compare it with Ryse.


LMAo ryse is a launch title are not even the best looking one out now, no launch titles were that impressive not even shadow fall, the order, infamous will be big leaps from them. You are forgetting infamous numerous previews from sites said it is the first game that really seems next gen graphically, it is very impressive.


I am talking about next gen wow impression. For most people, the most realistic/sharp graphics is the most next gen game hence has the better graphics.


Of course technically you need more grunt (more Tflops) to run The order, Killzone than Ryse. But just technically on some specific technical levels.

Ryse is still the most sharp and realistic game. KZ is in fact cartoonish and The order is more cinematic with colors and constrasts kind of washed out.

Mainly this sharp effect comes from the artstyle, Antialiasing and post effects used: Ryse uses the sharp and effective SMAA2TX when Killzone use a strong ineffectively blurry FXAA. The order uses a new blur algorithm to wash out the specular contrasts in order to strongly mimic some kind of wrongly supposed superior cinematic effect.

But maybe Infamous like you said could compete with Ryse, but the main character's face doesn't look very realistic.



FlamingWeazel said:
dane007 said:
FlamingWeazel said:
dane007 said:
FlamingWeazel said:
People like DANE who are still in denial despite it is a FACT the ps4 is quite a bit more powerfull why we keep seeing threads about ps4 games looking or running much better.

Technology can be measured by numbers,there is no sorcery, ps4 has 40% more GPU compute power, fact. Faster better memory on top of that. The gap will always be there, and as we get further from launch and games get more demanding, the x1 will lag behind.


i have never said or denied that ps4 ws more powerful then xbox one in any of my replies. I actually agreed with it. Lol depsite all those fancy numbers game like ryse can easily compete if not be better looking then ps4 games like Killzone without having to be in 1080p lol. If thats hard ot beleive just look at dice awards,, it was a contender ot teh graphics award but killzone wasn't. For me both kz an dryse are tied because to me kz has better looking envvironments and a highe rramerate whiel ryse has better character models, aniamtion adn so on.  At thismoment ,, games so far have shown minimal adavantages for teh ps4 in the multiplats department. Funny how sony fans are bragging now but clearly forgot how mnay years ps3 suffered for ports taht were highly inderior and the difference then were significant . Yet at that time you guys were still defending it ddepsite it was fact that xbox 360 games had teh upper hand for the entire generation with teh exception o fa fe wgames where ps3 won.  Plus at this very moment games on the ps4 do not  40% extra GPu power  especially if a 900p game taht can compete iwth it and has 40% less GPU power.  All i wanted ethomaz to do was to provide proof to his claims. Its not criminal or insane to ask such thing right? Failing to provide an dhaving teh same claim repeated whenevr i ask proof is a sign of trolling which is not good. Why roll when all it takes is a few misn on google . 

 

PS its geat to be able to have both machines cause opeinions and discussion tend to be less biased as you get to expereince pros and cons on both machines instead of being completely one sided.

Ryse is 900p and 30 fps, verr linear and limited....and does not look better then Killzone, all multiplats look and ran better on PS4, and these are launch titles......games are going to get more demanding and soon when Infamous drops, the gap will look bigger. Anything else is FUD.

 

Most games are doubling resoution or frame rate, that is a huge didfferenc,me so yes most are already showing the 40% gpu compute gap, and again LAUNCH last gen ports. Wait until the big open world and more demanding games come.


Killzone is also a linear FPS shooter. It surely not an open world game or a mmo type game lol. Oh if ryse is nto better looking then KZ then why is Ryse teh contender for oustanding graphics at DICE awardsd but kz not even on the list? Explain that. Character model, animations aloneis far superior then KZ character model lol. I have played both so i have seen teh diference. KZ only has teh advantage in teh environments . I knwo they but yo obviously did not understand my post. I said even though has  a upper hand atm,, the difference between the xbox one version and ps4 version is very very minimal unlike  last gen where teh diference ps3 mlultiplat and 360 multiplat were huge. I also said despite that of last gen,, sony fans was still defending ps3 an dhow good multiplats look even though it was really terrible lol. having  agme from 900p to 1080p is not a hug difference unless you have a 100inch projector lol. I seen multiplats like ac4 and NFS and i couldn't see te h difference. The only multiplat where the difference would be big ,, would be COD as its 720p to 1080p.  Just look at TR definitive edition,, i couldn't see any difference in resolution or even txture quality.its lloks teh same.. Just a  framerate difference. In sayign that most peopel would prefer a c more stable 30fps than a variable frame rate from 30- 60 lol. Heck if  future of next gen shows a huge difference in multiplats ,, then it won't affect me as i have both consoles. Ii won't be disavabtaged there at all.


Your rambling post doesn't change the fact the PS4 is more powerfull so whats your point?? Dice also gave best graphics tro TLOU a last gen game, digital foundry shows KZ is the better looking game (PS its not always linear and has large open areas, wrong again). You wont see a 40-50% gap in every game but it is there period. So I ask again what is your point? PS4 has 40% more GPU compute power, it

's why we have seen every game run and look considerable better on PS4..period.

 

Every game has seen major differences. Tomb raide rnearly double frame rate and in some cases x1 drops to 900p, BF 4 40% more pixel resoultion and better effects.  Assassins creed, or did you forget Ac4 is 1080p and x1 is 720p? COD....Devs said MGS V and Sniper elite 3 also look better on ps4...so again, Ps4 is more powerfull, period, nothing you say changes that fact, move on bro.

Haha you clearly have shown you misinformed as AC4 for xbox one is infact 900p. TR definitive edition for ps4 varies from 30-60 maintaning an average frame of 50 fps. thast not double cause if its double then teh ps 4 would me maintaining a constant 60fps which is not true. Having a huge variation in fps liek seen in TR causes judder leaving xbox version being better as it stays at 30fps consistently.  Lol i seen the bf video ,, sure the resolution si higher,, not denying taht but in the videos even though its 900p for ps4 bversion ,, it still looks blurry whiel suprisingly the xbox one looks cleare. It even has been saod on one of teh forumsregarding bf4.  Check digital foundry so teh difference is miniscule. LOL kiojima said it looks slightly better and we all know Koiima loves to troll. Until teh game comes out theres no proof for MSG5. As for sniper elite,, give me proof that shows  its better snce no reviews has stated that. teh developer only said that teh fps might be a bit better on ps4 but again no reviews mentioned anything about it and digital foundry haven't anlysed it yet.  As i have said teh differences now is minmal which is far better then what happened to ps3. nomatter teh excuses the machine was more powerful then xbox 360 but look significantly worse . nice try though.



FlamingWeazel said:
globalisateur said:
This game will be the next gen best graphical cinematic experience, no doubt.

But people who expect it to have unanimously recognized better realistic graphics than Ryse will be disappointed. I predict many Ryse vs The Order graphics threads with no clear objective winner and many incredulous Sony fans in front of the pro-Ryse (rightful) obstination that Ryse is da best graphx.

Whatever thuway said.

I think we will have to wait for the next God of War to better compare it with Ryse.


LMAo ryse is a launch title are not even the best looking one out now, no launch titles were that impressive not even shadow fall, the order, infamous will be big leaps from them. You are forgetting infamous numerous previews from sites said it is the first game that really seems next gen graphically, it is very impressive.


Yet ryse got nominated for the graphics category at dice awards but not kz . dp agree thought infamous does look beautiful for an open world game



globalisateur said:
FlamingWeazel said:
globalisateur said:
This game will be the next gen best graphical cinematic experience, no doubt.

But people who expect it to have unanimously recognized better realistic graphics than Ryse will be disappointed. I predict many Ryse vs The Order graphics threads with no clear objective winner and many incredulous Sony fans in front of the pro-Ryse (rightful) obstination that Ryse is da best graphx.

Whatever thuway said.

I think we will have to wait for the next God of War to better compare it with Ryse.


LMAo ryse is a launch title are not even the best looking one out now, no launch titles were that impressive not even shadow fall, the order, infamous will be big leaps from them. You are forgetting infamous numerous previews from sites said it is the first game that really seems next gen graphically, it is very impressive.


I am talking about next gen wow impression. For most people, the most realistic/sharp graphics is the most next gen game hence has the better graphics.


Of course technically you need more grunt (more Tflops) to run The order, Killzone than Ryse. But just technically on some specific technical levels.

Ryse is still the most sharp and realistic game. KZ is in fact cartoonish and The order is more cinematic with colors and constrasts kind of washed out.

Mainly this sharp effect comes from the artstyle, Antialiasing and post effects used: Ryse uses the sharp and effective SMAA2TX when Killzone use a strong ineffectively blurry FXAA. The order uses a new blur algorithm to wash out the specular contrasts in order to strongly mimic some kind of wrongly supposed superior cinematic effect.

But maybe Infamous like you said could compete with Ryse, but the main character's face doesn't look very realistic.

We need the world to be alive and beautiful to explore along with good gameplay not the faces of the charecters which won't see very much when playing the game. Ryse is not a good game other than charecter models tech demo (other developers can do if they want realistic things only the game design and the world requires) which is not what we want from next gen. We need a balance between everything as much as possible.

You seems to like and praise Ryse a lot, if you want a game with realistic models then wait for Quantic dreams games who showed a demo already about realistic faces and will get the game with emphasis on charecter models because their games are about emotional and its relationship for the game.



GAMING is not about spending hours to pass/waste our time just for fun,

its a Feeling/Experience about a VIRTUAL WORLD we can never be in real, and realizing some of our dreams (also creating new ones).

So, Feel Emotions, Experience Adventure/Action, Challenge Game, Solve puzzles and Have fun.

PlayStation is about all-round "New experiences" using new IP's to provide great diversity for everyone.

Xbox is always about Online and Shooting.

Nintendo is always about Fun games and milking IP's.

Aerys said:

Yes, Ryse is much more foggy/blurry ( low draw distance and little corridor), cinematic ( 70% qte) , with no physic, Ryse models reach The Order models( complex clothes and skin textures + characters with  hair and beards and mustaches  ) level only in pure cinematics and The Order seems to have more realistic lighting, so i dont see how you can possibly compare it to the Order in realistic term


Dont forget the superior resolution (900p vs 1080p)

Also,4XMSAA, incredibly rare on consoles, but alas, J Allard is gonna J Allard