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I don't recall my saying "Sony was dead" in anything you responded to for this argument.

Kid, you're not worth the time, you can't argue, you can't debate, you're just a train wreck. You're just making up points to counter against and putting words in my mouth when all I had said was stated in my original reply was the obvious, Nintendo is doing well, Sony isn't. I don't know what's more pathetic, you're name calling, you're argument or the fact you think you're clever in achieveing your troll status here.

You obviously have a severe victimization complex and/or a bipolar disorder judging from the manic state you seem to be posting in and i'd invite you to take it up with someone else. You're not fit to defend the PS3 and do it a diservice in your meager attempts to defend it; if you want to bash Sony by pretending to support the Ps3, do it on your own time when I'm not involved okay? I already have enough of an image problem here. Give it a rest, if you are a real Sony supporter you're just making the Sony supporters on this forum look bad.



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Here are his predictions for 2007 and 2008.  In the gamasutra podcast today he claims his annual reports are quite accurate.  We shall see.

2007
Wii 7.0M
NDS 6.0M
360 4.5M
PS3 4.5M
PS2 3.5M
PSP 3.4M
GBA 1.8M

2008
Wii 7.0M
PS3 6.0M
NDS 6.0M
360 5.0M
PSP 4.0M
PS2 2.5M
GBA 0.8M



People are difficult to govern because they have too much knowledge.

When there are more laws, there are more criminals.

- Lao Tzu

argh, would like to express better..

1/ thx you for answering

2/ I wrote "Sony is dead" to summarize what you always try to show more or less in your post, remember you called yourself : Sony Hater ...

3/ you saied "my original reply was the obvious, Nintendo is doing well, Sony isn't"

sincerely, this is not the main point of your second post (the one I quoted)! If I remember well you were saying that Sony Fanboy were stupid to still hope that Sony will be back for this generation, considering the fact that wii sell like hot cakes.

I saied that whatever is the present, you cannot predict future and the fact that the present favor wii, doesn't allow you to claimed that Sonyfanboy are stupid to still hope. Of course you NEVER saied stupid but you wrote some sentences that mean more or less the same (the penis comparaison ...)

SINCE THIS THREAD IS ALL ABOUT SPECULATION FOR THE FUTURE SALES ( see the "predicts" word in the tittle ...), people can put all their speculations

And what applicate to sony work well with Xbox360 too ...they are not dead

4/ you saied "I don't know what's more pathetic, you're name calling, you're argument or the fact you think you're clever in achieveing your troll status here. "

thx you for insulting me, just thx u. To play the same game than you : this just underlign your bannlisted status

5/ you saied "if you are a real Sony supporter you're just making the Sony supporters on this forum look bad."

It is what you think, but who knows what are thinking others

I don't insult people, I don't change the present numbers, I don't pretend to have the Truth, I just express my opinion.



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2007
Wii 7.0M
NDS 6.0M
360 4.5M
PS3 4.5M
PS2 3.5M
PSP 3.4M
GBA 1.8M

2008
Wii 7.0M
PS3 6.0M
NDS 6.0M
360 5.0M
PSP 4.0M
PS2 2.5M
GBA 0.8M

==> how this guy make  his prediction ? How can he produce quantitative datas ? Does someone know how it is possible to make this type of prediction ? special software ? present sales study ?

Since we don't know how he makes these datas we cannot say if it seems correct or not ?



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RolStoppable said:
Ratatouille, the game, is confirmed and on release lists since months. Have fun, while destroying your videogame collection.

What? No... I don't believe it! The game will exist? I was actually correct? I was partially joking, but knew it was to be true, even though I did not want it to be true. Damn it! I hate these movie-games!!! I knew it was going to happen! It's a fucking rule! It had to happen. Now I have to go and destroy my video game collection! Why did the movie, have to become a game? And why is the game being released, before the movie? What if the movie sucks, like "Shark Tale?" And now, they're going to make a Toy Story 3 game, before the movie comes out, in 2008. It's too predictable. Ratatouille (as awkward as it may sound) will get lost in the video game library, and end up in Wal-Mart for $9.95, or $14.95, bundled with a sports game. Everyone knows how these pieces of shit end up. They're going to end up, sitting in pawn shops, where nobody ever buys them, with their beaten up, scratched up cases, after being used, and abused, by the little kids, who don't know how to take care of their video games, after their parents buy the game for them, who have absolutely no knowledge on what good video games are, think the games are equal to Mario, typically buy the game, because it's childish, and the movie it was based on, may have been good, judge the cover, and stupidly spend a shit load of money, on the piece of shit, and give it to their children, who will play it once, get bored of it, think nothing of it, the parents wont notice, and forget that the game exists, and the game will exist in the house, unnoticed, and get lost with the McDonalds toys, and stuffed animals, until everyone in the house either moves out, or have a garage sale, finds the game again, forget where it came from, and only knows its existence, sells the game for a fraction of the cost, think they made $5.00, when they actually lost the price of the game, when purchased brand new, minus the $5.00, and a few days later, buy another movie-game, and the cycle repeats itself. Fucking assholes.

I knew Ratatoille would become a movie-game. The second I saw it in commercials, I could already picture myself, looking at the piece of shit, with all of the other games, in Future Shop, with a price of $59.99, knowing that a few years down the road, it would be priced at $9.95. Like seriously, nobody wants them, they only serve as video game library fillers, exist, only so that advertisements can say that an even higher number of video games, exist for certain consoles, because people are too money greedy, and unimaginative, to make better video games, they get shitty reviews, have shitty graphics, never become legends, and disintegrate in the dirty, pile of sports games, missing their manuals, with their beat up cases, and crusts of food stains, and names, written in permanenet inc, lieing helplessly, in pawn shops. Nobody ever talked about "Shrek the Third" for the Playstation 3. How come there are no threads in VGChartz, titled "Shrek the Third is coming for the Playstation 3!"? How come it was never talked about? I didn't even know the piece of poop existed until I walked into a video game store, and saw it, brand new, looking at me, with its disgusting eyes, priced as $59.99; It stayed there, until a typical parent, bought it unconsciencely, because only the movie it was based on, itself, was enough to warrant a purchase. I hate third party games. I hate them here, I hate them there, I hate them everywhere. I hate third party games. I hate them, Sam-I-Am!



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libellule said:

argh, would like to express better..

1/ thx you for answering

2/ I wrote "Sony is dead" to summarize what you always try to show more or less in your post, remember you called yourself : Sony Hater ...

3/ you saied "my original reply was the obvious, Nintendo is doing well, Sony isn't"

sincerely, this is not the main point of your second post (the one I quoted)! If I remember well you were saying that Sony Fanboy were stupid to still hope that Sony will be back for this generation, considering the fact that wii sell like hot cakes.

I saied that whatever is the present, you cannot predict future and the fact that the present favor wii, doesn't allow you to claimed that Sonyfanboy are stupid to still hope. Of course you NEVER saied stupid but you wrote some sentences that mean more or less the same (the penis comparaison ...)

SINCE THIS THREAD IS ALL ABOUT SPECULATION FOR THE FUTURE SALES ( see the "predicts" word in the tittle ...), people can put all their speculations

And what applicate to sony work well with Xbox360 too ...they are not dead

4/ you saied "I don't know what's more pathetic, you're name calling, you're argument or the fact you think you're clever in achieveing your troll status here. "

thx you for insulting me, just thx u. To play the same game than you : this just underlign your bannlisted status

5/ you saied "if you are a real Sony supporter you're just making the Sony supporters on this forum look bad."

It is what you think, but who knows what are thinking others

I don't insult people, I don't change the present numbers, I don't pretend to have the Truth, I just express my opinion.


So you attack numbers I made up with numbers you made up? How wonderful. And you don't pretend to have the truth, you just express your opinion in a debate which requires facts to support any of the claims you're trying to bring up against me. Give me a break kid. Look at all the pandering in your reply, you're obviously just trying to act like you're in control, in all honesty I bet you don't even know what you were arguing about originally. Stop wasting our time.

You claimed I said Sony was dying. Which I didn't. You claimed I was factually wrong but then you say you don't know the truth and only know your opinion. Am I the only one who sees the weakness in your argument? If it can even be called that.



"So you attack numbers I made up with numbers you made up? How wonderful. "

==> I never attacked numbers u made up except when u were speaking about 90% PS2 will buy Wii or something like this (that we both know NOW you were exagerating)
I know that currently Wii sell very well compared to Xbox360 and PS3

"And you don't pretend to have the truth, you just express your opinion in a debate which requires facts to support any of the claims you're trying to bring up against me."

==> sorry it is all about future sales expectation so sincerely, execpt the current sales, I doubt we have a lot of facts ...

" Give me a break kid. Look at all the pandering in your reply, you're obviously just trying to act like you're in control, in all honesty I bet you don't even know what you were arguing about originally. Stop wasting our time."

==> I was arguing about the fact that some people (you) take others people for stupid asshole when they claim their opinion.
Of course you never saied "stupid asshole" but your post suggest a lot more ...

"You claimed I said Sony was dying. Which I didn't."

==> it was a summary of your opinion like your "90%" and "hot cakes" ...
Except it fit perfectly with u.

" You claimed I was factually wrong but then you say you don't know the truth and only know your opinion."

==> since this thread is suppose to be about FUTURE we are both wrong in a way.
BUT remember you were the first to post here claiming that "SonyFanBoy" were crazy to still hope in sony's come back (let's say).
My point was just to say that for some reasons, mostly the fact that a lot of people still don't possess a next-gen console, these people are not crazy to still hope.

"Am I the only one who sees the weakness in your argument? If it can even be called that."

==> trapped dear Queen ???



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Lol, look at you scramble to try and salvage your waining effort. The fact of the matter is I caught you in multiple lies. You're debunked and your argument is exposed. All you have left is your feable jests at confidence, which i'm pretty sure everyone can see through quite clearly. :)

Better luck next time.



@libellule - You seem to be clinging to the idea that the future is not guaranteed yet. While this is true, it does not give you any ground to stand on to say that the predictions and opinions of everyone or anyone are "false." "False" is not even an issue; we're not trying to argue "false" around here. It would require seeing the future through some crystal ball to accomplish what is going to be true or false. We're arguing "likely" and "unlikely." Yes, technically Sony isn't dead yet, and technically they might never be, but based off of the facts we do have (knowledge of how markets/economics work, and the current successes/failures of the current generation of consoles) we can make safe or unsafe predictions and form good or bad opinions. I'll just put it like this: your predictions are unsafe at this point if you put your money on the PS3.



"Whenever you find a man who says he doesn't believe in a real Right and Wrong, you will find the same man going back on this a moment later."   -C.S. Lewis

"We all make choices... but in the end, our choices... make us."   -Andrew Ryan, Bioshock

Prediction: Wii passes 360 in US between July - September 2008. (Wii supply will be the issue to watch, and barring any freak incidents between now and then as well.) - 6/5/08; Wow, came true even earlier. Wii is a monster.

to Gballzack,

"Lol, look at you scramble to try and salvage your waining effort. The fact of the matter is I caught you in multiple lies."

==> Are you trying to convince me ? or us ? or only U ?
I don't rememeber any lie on my side.
It is funny to see how you are able to claim things without facts

"You're debunked and your argument is exposed. All you have left is your feable jests at confidence,"

==> my argues are quite clear: considering the few numbers of next-gen console sold :
there no major reason to consider that sony or microsoft have lost this generation
AND more important, their supporters still possess the right to suport their console even if you don't like this
AND about the words you like to use against others (I'm not a LIAR, stop speaking without fact) : Keep your "hot shit cakes" for yourself ...

"which i'm pretty sure everyone can see through quite clearly. :)""

==> amazing,
are u only able in 1 post to NOT referring to others ?

Better luck next time.

==> trying to end what u cannot win ?



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