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fps_d0minat0r said:
curl-6 said:
NeoRatt said:

MS, Sony, and Nintendo are still manufacturing their 7th gen consoles, so they obviously don't think the race has ended.  What we are bickering about is when the race ends.  History will judge the 7th gen race on when the consoles quit being manufactured.  That is how every generation has been judged to date.

Its that simple.

If they started selling N64s again and managed to sell more than the PS1 in total, it still wouldn't have won the 5th gen, any more than Germany can retroactively win WW2. PS4, Xbone, and Wii U are out now; the 8th gen has begun, the 7th is in the past.

They are not talking about retarting a race, just finishing one which never ended. Just because one competitor lost its legs after running too fast, it doesnt mean the others which were well paced cant beat it.

It ended when the 7th gen systems were replaced.



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Kane1389 said:
curl-6 said:
Kane1389 said:
curl-6 said:

Graphically it's a bigger leap over Wii than PS4/Xbone are over PS3/360, yes.

 


Yet the gap between U and PS4 is similar to the gap between Wii and PS3...

Actually it isn't.

Two huge factors, SD to HD, and programmable shaders, separated Wii and PS3. There are no such fundamental divides between Wii U and PS4. 


Actually, the gap between the GPU, CPU, RAM and almost everything else is much much bigger. Nintendo really outdid themselves this time, and whats amazing is that they are the only ones losing money per console sold.

Not true; Wii had a fixed function, 480p limited GPU compared to PS3's HD-ready programmable shader GPU.

Wii U and PS4 are both HD, both use programmable shaders. The fundamental divide of last gen just isn't there.



Conina said:
curl-6 said:
NeoRatt said:

If the gen is over, someone sure forgot to tell the console manufacturers that.

Releasing the PS4/Xbone/Wii U is their white flag; it's the 8th gen now.

The white flag?

"In all championships which use the FIA International Sporting Code, as well as North American road racing, the white flag indicates the presence of an official car or a competitor moving at below normal speed"

Did they wave the white flag for the slow Wii?

"In NASCAR, IndyCar, North American motorcycle road racing, and most American forms of motorsports, a white flag displayed at the starter's stand indicates the start of the final lap of the race."

Or has the final lap just begun? That would be even worse for the Wii, if it ran out of juice in the last lap: did not finish!

Perhaps it is not a race with a predefined number of laps but an endurance competition where the winner is, who goes the farthest.

And why does one race automatically end when a different new race with other competitors starts, even if some or all of the new competitors have the same sponsors  (Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft).

A generation is the time in which a set of consoles are the leading edge ones; now that PS4/X1/Wii U are out, PS3/360/Wii are no longer on the leading edge.



curl-6 said:

A generation is the time in which a set of consoles are the leading edge ones

Oh, is it "make your own definition"-time? A generation is not a time frame but a group of subjects or objects, that fit in a time frame. The end of a generation is not clear-cut in many cases and generations can overlap.

The start of a new console generation is only one of the aspects, hardware and software sales of the older generation have to get insignificant, too... they are far from it now.

"So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near; at the doors! Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place." (Matthew 24:34) ;)



Conina said:
curl-6 said:

A generation is the time in which a set of consoles are the leading edge ones

Oh, is it "make your own definition"-time? A generation is not a time frame but a group of subjects or objects, that fit in a time frame. The end of a generation is not clear-cut in many cases and generations can overlap.

The start of a new console generation is only one of the aspects, hardware and software sales of the older generation have to get insignificant, too... they are far from it now.

"So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near; at the doors! Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place." (Matthew 24:34) ;)

That's how video game generations have always been; a time in which a certain set of consoles are the leading edge.



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curl-6 said:

That's how video game generations have always been; a time in which a certain set of consoles are the leading edge.

No, it has not.

Every Xbox360, PS3 and Wii belongs to the 7th generation. Every Xbox360, PS3 and Wii produced and/or sold in the future belong to the 7th generation.

They are not void, they don't belong to non-generation-land or to the 8th generation, they count to the sales of the 7th generation.



Conina said:
curl-6 said:

That's how video game generations have always been; a time in which a certain set of consoles are the leading edge.

No, it has not.

Every Xbox360, PS3 and Wii belongs to the 7th generation. Every Xbox360, PS3 and Wii produced and/or sold in the future belong to the 7th generation.

They are not void, they don't belong to non-generation-land or to the 8th generation, they count to the sales of the 7th generation.

They don't count towards the winning of a generation that has passed.



curl-6 said:

They don't count towards the winning of a generation that has passed.

And who has decided that rule, that after a certain point no further hardware or software sales of a console count anymore?

The United Nations Organization? The Guinness Book? The Mighty Gods of VGC? You? Was it a proclaimed agreement of all console manufacturers? Was it even a question in former generations when the gaps were uncatchable?



Conina said:
curl-6 said:

They don't count towards the winning of a generation that has passed.

And who has decided that rule, that after a certain point no further hardware or software sales of a console count anymore?

The United Nations Organization? The Guinness Book? The Mighty Gods of VGC? You? Was it a proclaimed agreement of all console manufacturers? Was it even a question in former generations when the gaps were uncatchable?

It's common sense. You can't win a race after the baton's been passed.



So from what I saw Ninty should launch WiiU2 so gen9 starts and WiiU is the winner of the 8th gen.

About the baby boomers your analogy was weak. To say that because baby boomers are still alive equals baby boomers age is the same as 7th gen consoles being produced is wrong. Your comparison would be baby boomers alive = baby boomers age is analagous to there is atari still working so it's atari era which you are right to say is wrong. The equivalent to 7th gen hw being produced = 7th gen era still on would be baby boomers still borning = there is still a baby boomer era and it would make sense. There is even those people you say that doesn't seem to be from this age.

About the leap comparison all released WiiU games are void and mario can't be used because it didn't push Wii or WiiU capabilities (even though if they average the same use of processing Power they could be used to compare) yet you pick KZ3 (one of the best graphics on ps3) and KZSF (a launch title that don't push ps4). Why didn't pick alone in the dark vs FFXV trailer to show ps4 leap?

And to say ps4/bone won't improve because they're off the shelf is to ignore customization and tweak and pretend they are close to use all capabilitie. They may be easier and inprovement be fast, but that doesn't equal small.

And about not being a clear division. Can WiiU do raycast? 7.1 Dd? Competitive Mp? Track head movements? We can keep going. You are just wishfullying hoping devs will care about WiiU small userbase and dumb down their game... Even tough they haven't done it when wii were dominating or when sony first entered the market without a single console sold.

If there isn't separation between wiiu and ps4/xbone why would there be with ps360? Because you used this excuse for bad ports (different architeture) and forgot WiiU architeture is different from ps4/xbone. And what is worst is that WiiU was easier to program than ps3 but will be harder than ps4. But why would you care since ninty supporters doesn't buy many 3rd parties?



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