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stlwtng4Dmdrxip on 04 February 2014
gooch_destroyer said:

So? Most wii games looked worse than many ps2 games. Final fantasy 12 looks better than most latter wii games.

And with the wiiU is the same problem, most games will look the same or even worse than other on the ps3/360 because of small budgets.



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justiceiro on 04 February 2014
michael_stutzer said:
justiceiro said:

The biggest leap... from a  cliff:P?

"Yes, its a biggest leap, but i will play the 360 version of the game that came out to wiiu too  anyway"

People will never stop using this picture, will they? Here is why it is wrong (credits to neogaf):

Ok, fair enough, will use real case:

10K(PS3) vs 40K(PS4), yet the biggest diference is ilumination. Its not about be better, just about to seems better. I'm not saying that i agree with the OP, just that what i expect in new generation is better use of illumination, shaders, physics, just not straigth up details on models. Would cust to much to have developers add this so litlle details on each model.



"Hardware design isn’t about making the most powerful thing you can.
Today most hardware design is left to other companies, but when you make hardware without taking into account the needs of the eventual software developers, you end up with bloated hardware full of pointless excess. From the outset one must consider design from both a hardware and software perspective."

Gunpei Yoko

DevilRising on 04 February 2014
Arcturus said:

I kept waiting for there to be a point...but it never came. Why does this matter? I want my three minutes back.


True. The guy could have had a good point, because it's true, Wii U IS the biggest hardware leap. But all he did was keep repeating himself, and not actually fleshing out his argument.



curl-6 on 04 February 2014
NeoRatt said:

From a corporation resources perspective the corporations are moving their resources to the 8th generation. Yes, that is true.

But, from a consumer perspective there is still significant demand for 7th generation consoles.  So, consumers have not ended the 7th generation.

10 years from now when people talk about sales of 7th generation consoles they aren't going to use the sales figures up to last December for the Wii, and this November for the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360.  They will look at the total sales up until the console manufacturers stopped shipping them to retail.  That won't be for another 3-5 years probably for PS3 and 360.

Look at PlayStation 2 sales.  All sources who talk about PS2 sales talk about how it sold 150,000,000+ units.  Well that didn't happen until well after the PS3 was released.  Sony announced 150 million on February 14, 2011... http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/110214_e.html...  So, even the manufacturers of the consoles continue to count sales of the previous generation after a new generation is released.

VGChartz platform totals numbers point to the fact generations are not considered over until the devices aren't being manufactured anymore...  http://www.vgchartz.com/analysis/platform_totals/.  Again showing PS2 over 150 million units even though that happened a full 5 years after PS3 was released.  In fact, VGC still tracks new Wii, PS3, and X360 sales for some mysterious reason.  If your logic was sound then why are they still showing the Wii, PS3, and 360 total numbers growing?

And do a search on google for "150 million PS2" and you will find a variety of reputable sites that support the 150+ million number as being accurate for PS2 sales.

I challenge you to find a single news source since February 14, 2011 that uses PS2 sales numbers as of November 2006 as total sales for the 6th generation sales.

 

Generations are not defined by how long the systems sit on shelves for. It's not still the baby boomer generation just because there are baby boomers still alive.



NeoRatt on 04 February 2014
curl-6 said:
NeoRatt said:

From a corporation resources perspective the corporations are moving their resources to the 8th generation. Yes, that is true.

But, from a consumer perspective there is still significant demand for 7th generation consoles.  So, consumers have not ended the 7th generation.

10 years from now when people talk about sales of 7th generation consoles they aren't going to use the sales figures up to last December for the Wii, and this November for the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360.  They will look at the total sales up until the console manufacturers stopped shipping them to retail.  That won't be for another 3-5 years probably for PS3 and 360.

Look at PlayStation 2 sales.  All sources who talk about PS2 sales talk about how it sold 150,000,000+ units.  Well that didn't happen until well after the PS3 was released.  Sony announced 150 million on February 14, 2011... http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/110214_e.html...  So, even the manufacturers of the consoles continue to count sales of the previous generation after a new generation is released.

VGChartz platform totals numbers point to the fact generations are not considered over until the devices aren't being manufactured anymore...  http://www.vgchartz.com/analysis/platform_totals/.  Again showing PS2 over 150 million units even though that happened a full 5 years after PS3 was released.  In fact, VGC still tracks new Wii, PS3, and X360 sales for some mysterious reason.  If your logic was sound then why are they still showing the Wii, PS3, and 360 total numbers growing?

And do a search on google for "150 million PS2" and you will find a variety of reputable sites that support the 150+ million number as being accurate for PS2 sales.

I challenge you to find a single news source since February 14, 2011 that uses PS2 sales numbers as of November 2006 as total sales for the 6th generation sales.

 

Generations are not defined by how long the systems sit on shelves for. It's not still the baby boomer generation just because there are baby boomers still alive.

There is still a baby boomer generation and their numbers are being tracked.



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TornadoCreator on 04 February 2014

So this video is one of those....

1. Make obvious statement about gaming whilst showing irrelevant gameplay footage.
2. Spend ages clarifying what you're not saying, because fanboys are fucking pathetic.
3. Placate fanboys by making statements to prove you're not "biased".
4. Repeat steps 1-3 over and over, making the video three times as long as needed.

Why do so many gaming video blogs follow this checklist, is there really such a massive demand for such patronising, backpeddle filled videos? Are the gamer communities on YouTube so pathetic that every 10 second statement requires 3 minutes of placations to stop them acting like massive cunts in the comments section?



curl-6 on 04 February 2014
NeoRatt said:
curl-6 said:
NeoRatt said:

From a corporation resources perspective the corporations are moving their resources to the 8th generation. Yes, that is true.

But, from a consumer perspective there is still significant demand for 7th generation consoles.  So, consumers have not ended the 7th generation.

10 years from now when people talk about sales of 7th generation consoles they aren't going to use the sales figures up to last December for the Wii, and this November for the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360.  They will look at the total sales up until the console manufacturers stopped shipping them to retail.  That won't be for another 3-5 years probably for PS3 and 360.

Look at PlayStation 2 sales.  All sources who talk about PS2 sales talk about how it sold 150,000,000+ units.  Well that didn't happen until well after the PS3 was released.  Sony announced 150 million on February 14, 2011... http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/110214_e.html...  So, even the manufacturers of the consoles continue to count sales of the previous generation after a new generation is released.

VGChartz platform totals numbers point to the fact generations are not considered over until the devices aren't being manufactured anymore...  http://www.vgchartz.com/analysis/platform_totals/.  Again showing PS2 over 150 million units even though that happened a full 5 years after PS3 was released.  In fact, VGC still tracks new Wii, PS3, and X360 sales for some mysterious reason.  If your logic was sound then why are they still showing the Wii, PS3, and 360 total numbers growing?

And do a search on google for "150 million PS2" and you will find a variety of reputable sites that support the 150+ million number as being accurate for PS2 sales.

I challenge you to find a single news source since February 14, 2011 that uses PS2 sales numbers as of November 2006 as total sales for the 6th generation sales.

 

Generations are not defined by how long the systems sit on shelves for. It's not still the baby boomer generation just because there are baby boomers still alive.

There is still a baby boomer generation and their numbers are being tracked.

But we don't live in the "baby boomer" generation anymore. 



lucidium on 05 February 2014
MDMAlliance said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
That's offset by the fact that they took the smallest leap with the original Wii. >_>


I do not see the point of this comment.  If you watched the video, he already said that the Wii made an extremely small step.  I feel like you do whatever you can to put the Wii U down, because even though his argument doesn't really mean much in the end, you're pretending like it actually matters what they did 2 generations ago.


I don't see why judges take prior crimes into account when hearing a trial of someone suspected of breaking the law.........

 

That past is always relevant when discussing the present and the future, without it there is no accurate basis of perception.

 

You are basically seeing your ass with him for pointing out that the wiiu performance difference is only bigger because the Wii wasn't much of a leap at all from the GameCube,  which it wasnt.



MDMAlliance on 05 February 2014
lucidium said:
MDMAlliance said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
That's offset by the fact that they took the smallest leap with the original Wii. >_>


I do not see the point of this comment.  If you watched the video, he already said that the Wii made an extremely small step.  I feel like you do whatever you can to put the Wii U down, because even though his argument doesn't really mean much in the end, you're pretending like it actually matters what they did 2 generations ago.


I don't see why judges take prior crimes into account when hearing a trial of someone suspected of breaking the law.........

 

That past is always relevant when discussing the present and the future, without it there is no accurate basis of perception.

 

You are basically seeing your ass with him for pointing out that the wiiu performance difference is only bigger because the Wii wasn't much of a leap at all from the GameCube,  which it wasnt.


I recommend you read my other responses to him as to why I said that.  Or, like him, you need to watch the (rather pointless) video and see why it is irrelevant to the topic at hand.

In the video itself, it refers to what he was already talking about and pretty much says so that it is not part of the point.  The guy in the video is isolating the Wii to Wii U jump vs PS360 to PS4/XBO jump, and only comparing those with each other.  Why?  The best I can come up with is that someone has been telling him that the Wii to Wii U jump wasn't much.  

Think about his comment with that context in mind.  What happened before doesn't have anything to do with the jump between Wii and Wii U standing alone.  That is what this thread is about.  It is NOT about the efforts into the jumps.  It's NOT about which console will look best.  It COULD be about which consoles may see the most improvement over its life (in a really roundabout way) but still has nothing to do with what he's saying and only proves to try and discredit the Wii U for such a small and weird "accomplishment."  



zippy on 05 February 2014
Gremdude said:
zippy said:
d21lewis said:
And they're still behind the Xbox 360 in most areas.


My Wii U  hasnt died on me yet, i need to get through at least 3 before i can say its on par with the 360 ;)


It can't die on you if there are no games to play on it! Just trolling!! LOL

over 30 Wii U games and counting, i never felt the so called game drought :) Ninty hardware is built to last, that is one thing they deffo have the edge in.