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FlamingWeazel said:
sales2099 said:

Yup...pretty much after Peter Moore left and Don Mattrick took the helm this trend happened. I mean at the time people like me played it down but honestly, offcourse we would have liked the exclusives to take the spotlight from 2009, 2011-2013 (always viewed 2010 as a excellent 360 year for games).

The policy reversals Don put in place is allready a good sign of things to come. Now MS is PR focused more then ever, with twitter accounts answering questions and being more open in general then they ever were before.

Things like Kinect and Quantic having tv roots is harder to drop. Their foundations run deeper then things that could be fixed with a simple firmware update. I imagine enough X1's have to be sold to justify the kinect R&D before deciding to drop it to make X1 more competitive.

You clearly don;t know how companies work. mattrick/Peter, whoever was not a one man show in a huge project as big as a console launch, he had to get approval right up the chain and everyone had to be on board, from everyone in hardware, software, engineers, executives... Stop trying to blame 1 man, it simply is not the case.

People blame figureheads all the time, as they do have some control over what goes on.



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Simple. Microsoft knew that their main audience was COD bros in the US. And American COD bros don't care about specs or price. They just want the next COD box in the same brand they had last time, because that's what they know.

And now Microsoft can spy on all the bros' COD make-out parties. Everybody wins.



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FlamingWeazel said:

Seihaku said:

Sony TV/Movie is completely separate from their console division, there should be on expectation that it means anything. Sony can talk about launching a TV service, much like Microsoft did, but it's worthless until it fully launches, like Microsofts did not. The HDMI-input is pretty handy for a total integration, and the development of apps could be fairly interesting if they develop it properly on Microsoft's side of things. It's nothing that Sony cannot implement, and I hope at some point they do, even simple stuff like the Xbox One's tablet/screen mirroring.

Disagree totally, hdmi in was the WORST way to go about it, it doesn;t work with PVR's which right away makes it useless for most, you still need you existing cable box, a waste of time. Streaming is the way to go not using 20 year old technology.

seperate division means squat lol, ms has none, sony has many Ip's they can leverage in that space. Sony already has tablet , second screen integration and remote play. Ms has nothing like PS now currently either and Ps4 is way ahead with twitch OS integration.

Separate divisions mean a lot, in the sense that I don't see Sony TV/Movies passing up the chance to sell content on the Xbox One/360/Windows just because their Console division wants exclusives to help drive demand - nor do I see them skirting profit by allowing the console department to give any of it away, synergy only works if both divisions profit. The PS4 can mirror a Tablet to your TV? Did not know that.

The Xbox One works with most current setups just fine as most people do have cable setups and most people don't use PVRs (granted we're talking PVRs like the Hauppauge and not DVRs.). Streaming is the way to go, but it isn't there yet. Most services to watch live TV still require a cable subscription of some sort, and even they tend to be pretty limited. Maybe in 5 years, but by then something else will be out, at least it looks like this will be a relatively short generation.

The whole "live game streaming" is one of the most worthless things I've seen people hype up in a while. But if it makes the kids happy, so be it. Regardless, they're both pretty solid consoles, the PS4 is just stronger where it counts. And Microsoft really needs to stop saying "CLOUD!" as a crutch, it's cringe worthy. Can't wait for Gaikai/PS Now though.

Regardless, I get what Microsoft is trying to do, but the expensive console with subpar specs and $60 subscription fee will end it before it ever has a chance to catch on how they want it to. (I believe they anticipated hundreds of millions, escaping the "Game Console" term and becoming a "Home Media Device", it won't succeed unless they  make some serious changes.)



Blame Kinect and Don Mattrick.



sales2099 said:
FlamingWeazel said:
sales2099 said:
 

Yup...pretty much after Peter Moore left and Don Mattrick took the helm this trend happened. I mean at the time people like me played it down but honestly, offcourse we would have liked the exclusives to take the spotlight from 2009, 2011-2013 (always viewed 2010 as a excellent 360 year for games).

The policy reversals Don put in place is allready a good sign of things to come. Now MS is PR focused more then ever, with twitter accounts answering questions and being more open in general then they ever were before.

Things like Kinect and Quantic having tv roots is harder to drop. Their foundations run deeper then things that could be fixed with a simple firmware update. I imagine enough X1's have to be sold to justify the kinect R&D before deciding to drop it to make X1 more competitive.

You clearly don;t know how companies work. mattrick/Peter, whoever was not a one man show in a huge project as big as a console launch, he had to get approval right up the chain and everyone had to be on board, from everyone in hardware, software, engineers, executives... Stop trying to blame 1 man, it simply is not the case.

People blame figureheads all the time, as they do have some control over what goes on.

Some say, it's a company decision.



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The PS4's GPU, RAM, and CPU are beter. Plain and simple.

Edit: I also don't think Microsoft's main focus was gaming with this console.



   

FlamingWeazel said:
sales2099 said:

People blame figureheads all the time, as they do have some control over what goes on.

Some say, it's a company decision.

Well im sure someone in your position would think so ;P. Just saying history shows that figureheads are always blamed for problems, since you don't exactly know the names of the entire board of directors lol. Then again they do have the final say and vision of where the company goes.



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I'm not really surprised, every generation had more powerfull consoles and less powerfull ones due to different company policies and different tecnical solutions. Ps3 and 360 are more like the exception to the rule..



areason said:
bananaking21 said:
MS wanted to make an entertainment center, Sony wanted to make a powerful gaming system.


This 100 times, MS are fine with the x1 being less powerful then the ps4, only reason they damage control is for publicity and to attract attention. They want to sell the x1 as an entertainement system and not just as a console, they bank on using kinect and tv features as other selling points, hence not needing the added power to attract attention. 

This!  If you scroll back a number of years back to the original Xbox.  MS was never shy to describe MS's entry into the home console market.  This is part of their road map from day 1.  Everyone has been fighting for the living room.  A place where whole familys gather and spend time.  TV marketing has known this is the holy grail for a long time and MS wanted a piece. 

Now we're into 2014 and you're seeing them still on the same path.  They want the living room, just like everyone else.   As we saw with the 360, it game out as a gaming system and slowly morphed over to a multimedia platform.  Now you could order a pizza, watch YouTube, Netflix and whatnot.  With the Xbone, now you have them going after regular TV watching habits.  Now they can see what you watch, how long you watch, and with Kinect, how many people are watching.  All this is valuable info.  We'll see how it pans out.

Also to note, MS has been pretty bad with hardware their entire history.  They did make some of the first ergonomic mice, but folks like Logitech always made them better.  They made big clunky keyboards (and still do), but other 3rd parties made them better.  Now you have Surface, Zune (RIP), and these other entries into HW landscape and still have to struggle.

MS is an interesting beast.  They make some much money from Office and Windows products, those two products fully fund everything that MS does.  It pays for their mistakes and gets their foot in the door for (video games) industries they dont know much about.  Not many companies have that type of backbone/safety net.



kupomogli said:
vivster said:
MS gambled while Sony went all out.

If Sony went all out, doesn't it mean they gambled?


Going all out doesn't mean gamble. Going all in might be more approprate as that is an actually term in gambling.

I think what he means is that MS gambled by trying to do too much while Sony used its system resources to cater to the platform's strengths, games.