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supernihilist on 27 January 2014
KylieDog said:
supernihilist said:
KylieDog said:
supernihilist said:

Fact is PS2 to PS3 drop is similar in userbase to Wii  to WiiU


90m down from 150m is around 2 thirds.   The WiiU is not seling 60m consoles which you are suggesting.


Anyway, everything in OP is true.  Butthurt by some people not going to change this and nor is bringing up the Vita or any other console.


PS2 to PS3 70M users lost

Wii to WiiU 80M users lost (suposing WiiU only sell 25M which is just an assumption)

Do i have to give you the dictionary definition of similar dude....dont let the bias blind you.


I was using fractions, and lol at that last comment. 

Plus you're using lifetime figures of PS2 vs current PS3 figures.  PS2 was at ~110m when PS3 launched, that is the figure you should be using for a fair comparison, not 150m.  So the difference would be 30m only.

Your entire argument is flawed and biased.


Not is not. Im using numerical facts to prove the huge drop off on the userbase from PS2 to PS3 is similar in number to the one of Wii to WiiU (assuming WiiU doesnt sell better than what we think now).

You can use percentages to make a positive spin, but the users that were lost from PS2 to PS3 is nearly identical to Wii/WiiU.

Wii casuals now buying PS4s confirmed?



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S.T.A.G.E. on 27 January 2014
bucky1965 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
bucky1965 said:
I agree with the retail part of his comments. But not the fad part. Casual gamers or anyone else isn't going to buy a new product every time a new one launches. Wii-Fit is more of an app. The casual crowd is the hardest group to market to.



They are but if you simplify things, they aren't. Most games today aren't simplified. The Wii made it simple so everyone could enjoy it and thats why it sold like gangbusters. The problem with the Wii is that it went so casual that it alienated the core gamers who might have been interested in the Wii.

I completely agree with what your saying. As for being a fad, his analogy doesn't work, all consoles would have to be a fad. In decline? That's a different argument since tech is always changing now that you can game on pretty much anything with a screen, there's a lot more choices now.

Technically a fad is a widely popular device or item that quickly loses popularity after its limited value is consumed and the hype fades from the consumer because of lack of utlity. The Wii was that. The difference is the Wii's time of popularity truly lasted about four years. Fads usually fade out after like three years or less. The reason the Wii's lasted so long was backed up demand. 



Soundwave on 27 January 2014

I would say specifically the failure of Nintendo Land (using the mini-game formula popularized on the Wii), Wii Sports Club, Wii Party U, Mario & Sonic, and Wii Fit U to propel Wii U sales even to a reasonable level indicate the Wii was basically a fad.

These games are going to go from being massive system sellers on the Wii and some of the main touchstone games, to games that can barely move 2-3 million WW on their own in some cases and can't sustain the Wii U to really pathetic Dreamcast level sales.

Brain Training and Nintendogs on the DS have also suffered monstrous drop offs.



BeElite on 27 January 2014
Corvo said:
BeElite said:
Corvo said:
BeElite said:
supernihilist said:

so losing 70M PS2 users in the transition to PS3 is not similar to losing 80M customers from Wii to WiiU?

sory dude youre the only fool here

Wiiu is looking to lose 80% of the wii user base.  You are trying depertaly to make 1/5th the same as half.. 

Lmao, you missed the point again, lack of ability of interpretation.... He tried to explain that the idea of fad can be applied on PS2-PS3 too... For now, you can't say with 100% certainly that the Wii U will follow this road... we can't call these kind of predictions yet ( you don't know what Nintendo will do),anyway still misses the point of discussion. The huge dropd in the number of people in ps2-ps3 shows the same example on Wii-WiiU, it is not about the REAL numbers, it is about the IDEA of huge drops? Got it now? Or do I have to draw again?


No it does not show the same example, you wishing it does does not make it so.  The drops are nowhere near similar enough for them to be classifed as the same, basic math shows that.


Well, I'm done, I wrote in caps hoping you could understand the point. Again, it is not about the REAL numbers, it is about the IDEA of huge drops, there is nothing to do with math, it is the idea....gosh so much lack of interpretation.... I'm really done here


In the real world its about facts and numbers that can be proven.  so please be done.



SubiyaCryolite on 27 January 2014
supernihilist said:
KylieDog said:
supernihilist said:

Fact is PS2 to PS3 drop is similar in userbase to Wii  to WiiU


90m down from 150m is around 2 thirds.   The WiiU is not seling 60m consoles which you are suggesting.


Anyway, everything in OP is true.  Butthurt by some people not going to change this and nor is bringing up the Vita or any other console.


PS2 to PS3 70M users lost

Wii to WiiU 80M users lost (suposing WiiU only sell 25M which is just an assumption)

Do i have to give you the dictionary definition of similar dude....dont let the bias blind you.


Conveniently ignoring the XBox 360 cannibalising its sales. Way to go



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

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HipHopGodd on 27 January 2014

Nintendo: "We've been crap since the Cube!"

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Soundwave on 27 January 2014

Whether you want to say it's a fad, it just naturally fizzled out, or whatever ... either way it's of little comfort to Nintendo.

The bottom line is all these mini-game titles like Wii Fit U, Wii Party U, Wii Sports Club, Mario & Sonic, Nintendo Land, and even the formula of mixing in some good ol' fashioned Mario in there is no longer helping Nintendo sell hardware anymore when it was working fine just 4 years ago.

The Wii brand is a total dud these days. 



HipHopGodd on 27 January 2014

As I've stated before: Casual gamers move on to the next best thing, young gamers grow up to be older gamers, and old people die or lose interest all together. Nintendo target 3 very fickle demographics with Wii and now they're reaping what they sowed.



brendude13 on 27 January 2014

A FORMER Sony employee that has very little credibility says something slightly negative about Nintendo and everybody's taking pot shots at the Vita?

You'd think it'd be Vita owners that have the persecution complex.

Anyway, he may be putting it bluntly and exaggerating, but I don't disagree with anything he said. Again, people seem to be interpretting the word "fad" differently.



adriane23 on 27 January 2014

He's basically saying what a lot of people have been saying for a year now.



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