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Cobretti2 on 24 January 2014
FlamingWeazel said:
Cobretti2 said:
FlamingWeazel said:
ibrahim said:
why do you buy a console if hardware matters?


What PC can play halo, Uncharted, God of war, Destiny, MLB the show, Infamous, Drive club, Gran turismo, tales of xillia. and on and on.........


people would still buy those games if the PS360 was the only option for the next 10 years. They wouldn't suddnely go fuck this looks shit and not buy it.

No sales would stagnate like they have been, facts don't support your argument. Last gen sales were declining across the board for the last 2 years. Also doesn't explain why despite very little software ps4 has had a massive launch, largely based on games that are available on ps3 and 360.


Sales of hardware would stagnate but not software. It would still have the natural decline if there was a decline i.e. COD.

Hardware sold so well because its something new and a lot of fans been waiting for ages to get new hardware, plus it is cheaper than PS3.

The poont I am making is like Nintendo games they are on Nntendo systems. It really doesn't matter how powerful the hardware is because at the endo fo the day, those who only want Nintendo games will buy that system regardless.

 

The issue here is how to make Nintendo a system more powerful that will gurantee 3rd party support and other non core Nintendo gamers support to buy their system at a price greater than $350. This is a hard question to answer because I am sure if Nintendo or anyone for that matter could with confidence say if I build a $500 machine that is the best on the market  they would build it.



 

 

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mysteryman on 24 January 2014

Hardware only matters as long as specs are not significantly holding back the game; aesthetics are what really matter.





Frogger on 24 January 2014
Mystro-Sama said:
spemanig said:
BeElite said:
spemanig said:
I'm a Nintendo fan. I think graphics don't matter. I think art style matters. I think performance does matter. I thought the Zelda Wii U tech demo was boring. I don't want Zelda for Wii U to look anything like the tech demo because that's not what Zelda is about. I think that Super Mario 3D World is beautiful because of it's art style. I think Super Mario Galaxy looks better because of it's art style.


what is it about ? why cant you get what u want from zelda why others get a more grown up visual zelda.


Because Zelda is quirky and humble and colorful. That tech demo was not quirky or humble. It was serious, desaturated, and show off-y. 

 

I think WW is the only Zelda to fall under that category. TP was pretty dark and depressing and also visually impressive compared to other games on the Wii and GC. Majoras Mask was kinda dark too. You can't judge what a series is based off one seperate example and lot of people prefered TP's art style over the other Zelda games. I liked the tech demo... like everyone else.


You think wrong. The only ones that don't are Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword, which are objectively the weaker titles. You have chickens attacking you, a Mario and Luigi parody, a Goron King that loves to dance, A Zora King that likes to troll, and goofy characters through out Ocarina of Time. Just because Majora's Mask was dark doesn't mean that it wasn't quirky, humble, and colorful, because it was. It was a personal journey. A Zora Sang his dying wish to a rock tune. It was dark in subject matter, not in pallet. There where tones of purples, reds, and greens as opposed to greys in browns like in the tech demo. Twilight Princess was dark in pallet, not dark in subject matter. It was just good vs. evil. So was the Wind Waker. Twilight Princess isn't at all visually impressing compared to most titles on the Wii and GCN. Metroid Prime 3 looks better. Wind Waker looks better. Skyward Sword looks better. Resident Evil 4 looks better. And on and on.

Thankfully, Aonuma already confirmed that the game won't look anything like the tech demo, and when looking at how A Link Between Worlds turned out, he finally remembers what made Zelda great. Guess internet debates about it are irrelevent when I get what I want in the end.

Seriously, go play the Witcher or something. Zelda will never be the game you want.



Anfebious on 24 January 2014

I got a question for everyone here saying that hardware matters.

Would you still buy your PS5 if it was less powerful than the Xbox Two?



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ZyroXZ2 on 24 January 2014

Without having read every post, I just KNEW this OP would result in a heated, dozen-plus-page debate. I'll add my $.02 anyway...

There are a lot of factors here. For one, I believe hardware DOES matter, BUT, it is mattering less and LESS now. The required increase in power to achieve noticeable technological advancements in graphics are WAY too high for consoles, and is why the PS4's graphics are only just starting to match the ability of PCs from 3 years ago. The modular nature of PCs allows them to constantly push forward in power on an almost yearly cycle. But as people are seeing, despite all this additional power, people still buy PS4s, Wii Us, and XBox1s. It proves that hardware matters, but it matters less and less. If everyone only cared about hardware, PC gaming would be the most popular instead of console gaming. Console gaming is cheap, has clearly worse hardware than PCs, and yet people keep buying them. Hardware (or more accurately, graphics) is instead becoming a gaming fanatic's object of obsession.

On the flipside, I saw someone talking about brainwashed mentality over the Wii U being perfectly fine. I think the opposite could hold true: couldn't someone be brainwashed into thinking "MOAR GRAPHICS, MOAR POWER" is all that matters?



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F0X on 24 January 2014
spemanig said:
Mystro-Sama said:
spemanig said:
BeElite said:
spemanig said:
I'm a Nintendo fan. I think graphics don't matter. I think art style matters. I think performance does matter. I thought the Zelda Wii U tech demo was boring. I don't want Zelda for Wii U to look anything like the tech demo because that's not what Zelda is about. I think that Super Mario 3D World is beautiful because of it's art style. I think Super Mario Galaxy looks better because of it's art style.


what is it about ? why cant you get what u want from zelda why others get a more grown up visual zelda.


Because Zelda is quirky and humble and colorful. That tech demo was not quirky or humble. It was serious, desaturated, and show off-y. 

 

I think WW is the only Zelda to fall under that category. TP was pretty dark and depressing and also visually impressive compared to other games on the Wii and GC. Majoras Mask was kinda dark too. You can't judge what a series is based off one seperate example and lot of people prefered TP's art style over the other Zelda games. I liked the tech demo... like everyone else.


You think wrong. The only ones that don't are Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword, which are objectively the weaker titles.


I get the dislike for Twilight Princess, but I don't see where Skyward Sword was lacking in the charm department. Then again, I might be the only one here that did all of the game's sidequests and therefore know more about the minor characters.



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FarleyMcFirefly on 24 January 2014
Mystro-Sama said:

I've been told time and time again by hardcore Nintendo fanboys that hardware specs don't matter when in reality it does matter. It always has.

I often hear arguements like "it's not the hardware it's what you do with it" which is so fucking stupid and backwards and only said to damage control for Nintendo when the only reason Nintendo makes underpowered systems is to generate more profit (which they don't even need) at the cost of limiting the creativity of their devs. There is no one way gamers benefit from this shit.

And to make it worse the same guys damage controlling for Nintendo are total hipocrites. These same persons are the ones who left skid marks in their pants when they saw the Zelda U tech demo and the lighting and physics effects in 3D World and all I can say is "Yes, welcome to almost a decade ago".

Same thing with the Wii U. I'm confident it will get stronger sales with the 2014 line up but do you think it will be getting PS4/XO multiplats when it gets a larger install base? NOPE! Games like the Witcher 3 are 30 times bigger than the last game which is miles pass Wii U capabilites. You Wii U guys could be playing awesome multiplats in the future if Nintendo wasn't so cheap. Blame Nintendo. Don't defend them.

Hardware definitely matters. I love Nintendo's hardware, they create games with numerous ways to play it, all because the hardware allows them to.




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FlamingWeazel on 24 January 2014
Ponyless said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:

hardware does not mather, framerate does not matter, resolution does not matter , third partys dont matter, power does not matter , sales dont matter

nothing matters for some people here


Games matter :). Do you think The Last of Us is a shit game because it's only 720p and 30 fps?


TLOU is not possible without hardware..............



FlamingWeazel on 24 January 2014
Anfebious said:
I got a question for everyone here saying that hardware matters.

Would you still buy your PS5 if it was less powerful than the Xbox Two?


Can you play software without hardware? No one said it is everything................Games and Hardware matters.



FlamingWeazel on 24 January 2014
Cobretti2 said:
FlamingWeazel said:
Cobretti2 said:
FlamingWeazel said:
ibrahim said:
why do you buy a console if hardware matters?


What PC can play halo, Uncharted, God of war, Destiny, MLB the show, Infamous, Drive club, Gran turismo, tales of xillia. and on and on.........


people would still buy those games if the PS360 was the only option for the next 10 years. They wouldn't suddnely go fuck this looks shit and not buy it.

No sales would stagnate like they have been, facts don't support your argument. Last gen sales were declining across the board for the last 2 years. Also doesn't explain why despite very little software ps4 has had a massive launch, largely based on games that are available on ps3 and 360.


Sales of hardware would stagnate but not software. It would still have the natural decline if there was a decline i.e. COD.

Hardware sold so well because its something new and a lot of fans been waiting for ages to get new hardware, plus it is cheaper than PS3.

The poont I am making is like Nintendo games they are on Nntendo systems. It really doesn't matter how powerful the hardware is because at the endo fo the day, those who only want Nintendo games will buy that system regardless.

 

The issue here is how to make Nintendo a system more powerful that will gurantee 3rd party support and other non core Nintendo gamers support to buy their system at a price greater than $350. This is a hard question to answer because I am sure if Nintendo or anyone for that matter could with confidence say if I build a $500 machine that is the best on the market  they would build it.

Software sales would and have been declining...again the facts don;t agree.