WOW sorry for speaking. I was just trying to tell you how some people took his tweets wrong, and I am not alone. Twitter is not where people talk in financial terms, the avg person simply reads that sees it as sold, meaning bought by a person.

I understand what you are saying, and agreed, but there is  no need to patronize me, great way to make a new member feel welcome.

We have plenty of data, whether it be NPD or Nintendo's own soon to come EU charts to show just how many were sold to consumers. On this site (especially this site) we are fully aware of the what the actual sell through to consumers is, which is why this topic is a bit strange.

At this point people are just arguing about Greenberg's intention. Weazel thinks he was trying to trick people on twitter by saying sold and not shipped, probably because most people don't know that sold can mean sold to retailers. ioi thinks that Greenberg was just talking on financial terms and there was nothing wrong with what he said. May as well just lock the thread because this discussion is going nowhere.

I think this is a case of two rights depending on angle of vision.

As ioi said the guy never said sold at the beggining, so we could accept that he was just meaning "shipped" without ill intentions or trying to drive people to that confusion.

But I stand by the point that people who read it isn't aware of what it could mean so it should have been better worded. And the guy who challenged him have done it unpolitelly so he is wrong as well.

And I still think he should have said in his clarification that the correct term is sold and that it means "shipped" or any other explanation he seems more fit. And in the end it won't make much of a difference anyway, most of his followers on twitter are MS fans that would be delighted knowing it was a record without knowing Sony numbers or their mean, so it was a harmless spin (I'll hold on that).

I second this. Just let this topic die.

Fortunately you don't set logic, and in this case, it is incorrect if you parse what MS PR  representative David Dennis wrote (he compresses a lot of different facts into two sentences - Twitter be thanked- so it is understandable that he slipped at some point):

"We sold through nearly every unit we could in the holiday period and pulled forward as many units as we could from Q3. However, only some of those shipments were sold into the channel in the final period of the quarter and so there was not time to sell the units through to customers,"

His first sentence is flat out wrong since you cannot do accounting with future products in a financial report. What he actually wanted to say is that units made in December were delivered in December on the fast path (flying in units as I suspect Sony also did as well). It usually takes 3-5 weeks to ship from Shanghai to wherever, so most units made in December would regularly arrive sometimes in January, the new quarter.

In his second sentence, he plainly admits that not all December units were actually sold by quarter's end:  "only some of those shipments were sold into the channel in the final period of the quarter".  This means that of the roughly 900k units in transit, some were sold to customers, some not (yet).

Not that it matters - in the end the unsold units probably were sold by January 3rd...(still fun to correct the dictator and not get shot instantly, though).

Anti MS people spinning something to validate their unreasonable aversion for the company.

An other regular day in VGC land.



Being a Sony guy first, I must say I'm really starting to dislike my brethrens. 

Agree, we will discuss to the end of the word and won't come to a conclusion or add anything new, since his intention just he knows.

Can we lock the thread ioi?

People are trying to read between the lines.

And they interpret those invisible lines the way that suits their agenda.