You fail to see the underlying principle and compare the two events instead.

VGChartz ladies and gentlemen, VGChartz.

Simply false, again google PCI compliance. Any company that enters a third party agreement is RESPONSIBLE to know the fulld etails of said agreement and what the third party's dealings are with regards to said contract. MS would never have signed off on this without it getting signed off by legal

And which figure of speech would that be? Hyperbole? Irony? Detractio? Litotes?

I agree there is no proof of MS involvement and Machinima may simply be contractual to function independently.

My only point is don't try to influence the site founder about how his site is going to lose demographic because of the Sony fans. You have an agenda to push, then do it elsewhere, otherwise you're participating in the very same behavior you are accusing others of.

I did found nothing of the sort you mentioned, but im curious now! could i get a link?

They didnt. They said its a standard contract they use for all their purposes. They simply added in Xbox One because thats what the ads were for. These werent specially made contracts for just this occasion. EA's contracts to its Content Providers has EXACTLY the same wording.

MS had no need to get involved any further than to approach Machinima and ask them to start a campaign using their content providers. This is Machinimas mistake, but even then Machinima say the confidentially isnt for the promotion itself. Machinima and others have obviously been using this standard contract for ages. Just so happens Xbox is on it, so it NOW makes news.

No offense intended gergroy, I simply see you post more about ms than others. I am friends with lots of xbox people, and I'm a sony fan who owned both a 360 and a wii before ps3. But people call me a Sony fan.

I simply don't get along with many xbox users because I tend to call things like I see them and then get into arguments about whether kinect2 being bundled made sense. I'm sure it's no different from yourself, so again, no offense...it's simply my viewpoint.

I could see MS just going to Machinima and telling them to run a standard promotion without looking over the agreement. It's not a wise thing to do...but as we've had plenty of evidence of over the last year or so, MS really doesn't have much control over what's going on as far as there PR and the message they send.

Eh, I simply found it really funny that something as major as the BP oil spill was being brought up in a thread about Microsoft, Machina and YouTube. As in a "Only on VGC"

Easy fella. Ive been much longer than you. I know the demographics with all due respet much better than you. Point is there was easily 10x more Xbox fans back then here. And they are still fans ( I have them on Xbox Live ), Ive tried to get them to come back. But they wont. They say its to far gone. Is it? I dont know. But I wasnt trying to influence the site creator at all. He almost never posts on VGC. For him to post about this imo shows just how bad this has all become. Id be happy to continue this further in PM. But as you say I dont want to carry on here and appear like Im trying to influence anything. PM me if you want.

the impact of the oil spill is irrelevant. The point is that playing dumb didnt work.