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Acevil said:
Ssenkahdavic said:

Of course they are doing this, I do not see the problem.


I think the problem is the fact they can't state they are paid. It is more horrible youtubers that accept the offer, but hey people need money. 

(It is like Editorials being paid for)

You do these things, we will pay you.  None of those things are illegal thus not a problem.  

There are paid advertisers everywhere.  In blogs, forums, "sites that claim to have  integrity" etc.  If I needed the money, I might sell my integrity also.  

For the record I am not a fan of false advertising (which this is).  



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JayWood2010 said:

This was posted yesterday by viltgance http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=176400&page=0#1 which got locked for being a duplicate of this thread http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=176347

This thread is a Duplicate thread of a duplicate thread

In which what Ktay95 said is right http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5983566

This post has new info: for one participants in this contract can't say that they've been paid to promote the Xbox.

Not mentioned in the OP (but mentioned in the article he linked) is that this might be illegal as it breaches the Federal Trade Commission's (FTC)  guidelines for endorsements- namely that there needs to be full disclosure that payment was made to promote the product.



GribbleGrunger said:
Acevil said:


It actually has started, a lot of youtubers are pointing out how this destroys the integrity of youtubers. (Again this is more about youtubers lack of integrity than it is really microsoft). 

So instead of blaiming a company that is doing something illegal and underhand, you are pushing the onus onto Youtubers themselves. MS are and always have been an immoral company. This is why they are disliked by many people.


I don't believe it is Illegal, unethical yes, but illegal I don't think so. Also yes, I blame the people who agree, not the devil that offers the deal. 



 

~kao said:
GribbleGrunger said:

I can't believe how many people think that bribery is ok. The contract specifically says that any participant cannot disclose that they're part of this promotion. This is against the law and yet another example of why people do not like MS:

"That's not the case, however. According to a leaked copy of the full legal agreement behind the promotion, video creators "may not say anything negative or disparaging about Machinima, Xbox One, or any of its Games" and must keep the details of the promotional agreement confidential in order to qualify for payment. In other words, to get the money, video makers have to speak positively (or at least neutrally) about the Xbox One, and they can't say they're being paid to do so."




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do you mean... Like and ad? Wow...

 

ps: one thing i hate is the anonymous leaks, no one can corroborate the thing. At least the user could post a pic of the email or whatever i mean, pastebin? Really?

It's completely different from an ad. You know immediately that an add is paid for ... because it's an ad. Why would Pepsi make a Coka-cola advert? This is bribing Youtubers to lie about the X1 and keep it quiet.



 

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Ssenkahdavic said:
Acevil said:
Ssenkahdavic said:

Of course they are doing this, I do not see the problem.


I think the problem is the fact they can't state they are paid. It is more horrible youtubers that accept the offer, but hey people need money. 

(It is like Editorials being paid for)

You do these things, we will pay you.  None of those things are illegal thus not a problem.  

There are paid advertisers everywhere.  In blogs, forums, "sites that claim to have  integrity" etc.  If I needed the money, I might sell my integrity also.  

For the record I am not a fan of false advertising (which this is).  


I know it isn't illegal by the way, I just commented above mine, stating it isn't. Correct, and that is why reviewers and sites are becoming less credible and a lot of people question the integrity of number of sites. Youtube is just the next stage. Again I blame the youtubers, not the company. If you were allowed to disclose you are doing this, I wouldn't find any fault in it. 



 

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OP is missing the bit that actually makes this news worthy: The arrangement as described might go against the FTC's guidelines for the use of endorsements in advertising, which demand full disclosure when there is "a connection between the endorser and the seller of the advertised product that might materially affect the weight or credibility of the endorsement."

From ArsTechhnica

Cinemablend has the best coverage of the story by far: http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Microsoft-Machinima-Xbox-One-YouTube-Promotion-May-Unlawful-According-FTC-Guidelines-61735.html

I really suggest seing their version.



Lol, meanwhile MS told everyone they can't monetize their gameplay recordings of Halo 4.

Ubisoft went out its way to support youtubers to upload their gameplays on any Ubisoft game without such a restriction.



shikamaru317 said:
GribbleGrunger said:
shikamaru317 said:

There's no reason why they shouldn't do this, it's easy marketing that costs them far less than TV ads. And before you go complaining saying that it's something that only a company as dirty as Microsoft would do, you should know that Nintendo does it as well, Youtuber Jesse Cox recently mentioned that he turned down a marketing deal that Nintendo offered him to promote the Wii U. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Sony has done this in the past as well.

This is not marketing, it's bribery. To actually have an NDA in a contract of this sort is unlawful and hopefully this will backfire on MS and give them even more bad press.

It's not bribery and there is definitely no law being broken, they're simply asking Youtubers to play their games to see if they like them. Sure some greedy Youtubers will pretend to like games that they otherwise wouldn't just for the money, but that's up to them, Microsoft can't change the fact that some people are greedy. Any Youtuber with integrity will simply try the games and if they like them they like them, if they don't they don't. Many will play these games and legitimately enjoy them, and their fans will enjoy watching the playthroughs, and Microsoft will recieve positive marketing as a result.

It's against the law to promote something without disclosing that you are being paid to do so. Why do you think that Sessler always has to tell us who has sponsored his videos? It was posted above for you:

"The arrangement as described might go against the FTC's guidelines for the use of endorsements in advertising, which demand full disclosure when there is "a connection between the endorser and the seller of the advertised product that might materially affect the weight or credibility of the endorsement." The document offers a specific example of a video game blogger who gets a free game system that he later talks about on his blog. That blogger would need to disclose that gift, the FTC says, because his opinion is "disseminated via a form of consumer-generated media in which his relationship to the advertiser is not inherently obvious." That same reasoning would seem to apply to the opinions expressed by the video makers participating in this promotion."



 

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~kao said:
GribbleGrunger said:

I can't believe how many people think that bribery is ok. The contract specifically says that any participant cannot disclose that they're part of this promotion. This is against the law and yet another example of why people do not like MS:

"That's not the case, however. According to a leaked copy of the full legal agreement behind the promotion, video creators "may not say anything negative or disparaging about Machinima, Xbox One, or any of its Games" and must keep the details of the promotional agreement confidential in order to qualify for payment. In other words, to get the money, video makers have to speak positively (or at least neutrally) about the Xbox One, and they can't say they're being paid to do so."




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do you mean... Like and ad? Wow...

 

ps: one thing i hate is the anonymous leaks, no one can corroborate the thing. At least the user could post a pic of the email or whatever i mean, pastebin? Really?


No not like and ad. And ad requires you to put a disclaimer at the bottom  indicating the person giving the "opinion" has been compensated.  Happens literally on every infomercial. 

Microsoft here is specifically doing the opposite, telling people to lie and hide the fact they've been paid. This is regulated and fined by the FTC. 

You're allowed to have sponsors and promotions, and paid reviewers etc, what you can't do is do it under the table and pretend is not happening.



To those siting the FTC, how strong is the FTC in internet domain like youtube? Namely with the internet sometimes having many loopholes like different countries and different methods.