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Corvo on 17 January 2014
gigaSheik said:
Its the end of Nintendo as we know it and I feel fine.

'' Sigh'' after the colossal '' Nintendo should go 3rd party'' threads , I have to read this after going to sleep... well I guess the stupidity reached 100% for today



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Super_Boom on 17 January 2014
Corvo said:
gigaSheik said:
Its the end of Nintendo as we know it and I feel fine.

'' Sigh'' after the colossal '' Nintendo should go 3rd party'' threads , I have to read this after going to sleep... well I guess the stupidity reached 100% for today

I don't know if he's serious, but I thought it was more that he was referencing a song XD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY



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gigaSheik on 17 January 2014
Super_Boom said:
Corvo said:
gigaSheik said:
Its the end of Nintendo as we know it and I feel fine.

'' Sigh'' after the colossal '' Nintendo should go 3rd party'' threads , I have to read this after going to sleep... well I guess the stupidity reached 100% for today

I don't know if he's serious, but I thought it was more that he was referencing a song XD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY


People jump to conclusions too fast. I didn't mention Nintendo going third party, as that obnoxious guy said.

Nintendo president said:

We are thinking about a new business structure.

That pretty much confirms that Nintendo is finally changing and I really feel fine about it. If they keep their business as it is... then they're going 3rd party.

And it was a reference to the song as well :)



Captain_Tom on 17 January 2014
DanneSandin said:
Captain_Tom said:
DanneSandin said:
I hope they realize and understand that their games won't play well on smartdevices! IF they're considering smartdevices, hopefully they'll test the waters with some old NES games, but I highly doubt that's the right decision.


Or they could just partner with someone and release a DS branded smartphone with game controls like the xperia play.  Everyone with a smartphone could play any game, but the nintendo one would do it the best.  Imagine putting the old pokemon games officially on the Play store with online battles and trading added in.  They would be printing money...

Well, as far as I can recall, the Xperia Play didn't sell that well, did it? And I think know that Nintendo wants to be more in controll than simply team up with someone to add a few buttons on their phones. Nintendo wouldn't want their games to be played on other devices than their own. A Nintendo phone could work, but their games shouldn't appear on iOS or android...

But yeah, having an online Pokémon with battles and all would print money.


Yeah a sony handheld with not even half the support of the Vita, no library, and no marketing sold ok (They didn't lose money).  No surprise.  You're also right about Iwata Nintendo wanting control, and as such they will continue to "Control" their company incompetantly. 



Pemalite on 17 January 2014
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

I don't think Nintendo choose the hardware they chose if their own developers didn't want it... The wiiU is made to Nintendo's specifications, not someone elses... Granted its on a budget but the OS and how the hardware is made and how the GPGPU can do both cpu intensive work as well as gpu intensive and etc (read the article on neogaf) is based on what Nintendo's developers requested... They would not benefit at all to going into Sony's/MS's platform even if thats x86 because Nintendo's developers have not developed a single game on x86 platform... Their first party studios may have but not the main Nintendo developers so unless Nintendo wants to retrain all of their developers, it won't benefit them at the start what so ever

Just because Nintendo hasn't developed games on x86, doesn't mean the developers don't know how to use it.
A vast majority of work that is done in game development is performed on the PC as it's the fastest platform money can buy (Time is money!) and it's a platform that's been around for decades, most low-level programmers are intimitly familiar with it.
Plus if you wen't to University/College... x86 is the platform you are probably going to be learning game development for.

Plus there is allot of information and open source resources available that targets x86 specifically.

As for GPU compute, aka. GPGPU that's been around for roughly 8 years, it's only natural that's where Nintendo would head after adopting PC centric GPU technology.
Heck, even the Xbox 360 could do it.
In-fact it's impossible to buy an nVidia or AMD based GPU that can't do it now even in the mobile space, so praising them on that point is literally pointless as they pretty much had no choice anyway. :P




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Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 17 January 2014
Pemalite said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

I don't think Nintendo choose the hardware they chose if their own developers didn't want it... The wiiU is made to Nintendo's specifications, not someone elses... Granted its on a budget but the OS and how the hardware is made and how the GPGPU can do both cpu intensive work as well as gpu intensive and etc (read the article on neogaf) is based on what Nintendo's developers requested... They would not benefit at all to going into Sony's/MS's platform even if thats x86 because Nintendo's developers have not developed a single game on x86 platform... Their first party studios may have but not the main Nintendo developers so unless Nintendo wants to retrain all of their developers, it won't benefit them at the start what so ever

Just because Nintendo hasn't developed games on x86, doesn't mean the developers don't know how to use it.
A vast majority of work that is done in game development is performed on the PC as it's the fastest platform money can buy (Time is money!) and it's a platform that's been around for decades, most low-level programmers are intimitly familiar with it.
Plus if you wen't to University/College... x86 is the platform you are probably going to be learning game development for.

Plus there is allot of information and open source resources available that targets x86 specifically.

As for GPU compute, aka. GPGPU that's been around for roughly 8 years, it's only natural that's where Nintendo would head after adopting PC centric GPU technology.
Heck, even the Xbox 360 could do it.
In-fact it's impossible to buy an nVidia or AMD based GPU that can't do it now even in the mobile space.

Yea but the original arguement was that is going X86 for Nintendo better for their developers then having a hardware designed specifically by their developers? And the answer to that is still no... And the cost would still be a lot by comparasion... And I doubt they know how to use it efficiently considering for the past 20 or so years, they have been soley using their own custom CPU/GPU...

If they honestly thought that x86 was a better choice for their developers, Nintendo would have went X86 because there are almost no other company that gives their internal developer more freedom than Nintendo... Just look at how much they are willing to delay their games until they get finished... And I doubt their old collage degrees on x86 would be valid anymore considering most of the developers are still employeed



                  

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oniyide on 18 January 2014
benji232 said:
oniyide said:
drake4 said:
oniyide said:
Corvo said:
drake4 said:
Corvo said:
drake4 said:
benji232 said:
To everyone saying that a Nintendo smartphone is a great idea, think again. Making a smartphone does not equate automatically to tons of sales (see blackberry). Also, lets be honnest, outside of the hardcore Nintendo fans, who would consider buying a Nintendo phone? I mean, most people who buy smartphones just see games as a bonus. Also, If Nintendo decided to release their own phone, they would have to start selling their games considerably cheaper then they are today.

These are just a few points off the top of my head. I am sorry, but I just cant see how Nintendo would benefit from releasing a smartphone.


focus on handhelds and become a thirdparty or second party, thats the solution for them.

You have been saying this since dinosaurs were extinct and you keep holding this stupid idea, even after everyone saying this is stupid. I'm not defending nintendo nor I'm not a nintendo fanboy, but you really should take a deep read on what is gaming market before saying these things. If you want to play nintendo games, buy a damm nintendo console, that is not hard. And why they should go third party after the huge sucess of the wii/DS?. By your logic, they should've go 3rd party after the Gamecube, and we know what came after the Gamecube...

Some times people refuse to use their brain... that is annoying. Is is not '' blind vision by a fanboy'' it is market logic: financial reserve due to the wii fad.

wii is a fad,  it's not a concept that can keep on selling, nintedno hit the lottery in 2006, but technology has advanced so much thats almost impossible for nintedno to come up with something like that again imo, virtual boy and the gampad, have been huge failure, third party support are done with nintedno consoles, what's nintendo only hope, to come up with a new fad that can sell millions, which is easier said then done, while sony and microsft have every developer working for them that can make the next big game to sell 10-20 million consoles

They failed so hard with WIIU that they sould feel ashamed for themselves. Thats what you get for not putting investment in advertisement and publicity. But the market ( the whole, not the gaming itself) is unstable, we can predicate somethings, but others with no rational arguments is stupidity. They are back to the normal ages. Following the steps of N64. GC, it is nintendo being ignorant and refusing to invest in third party+ strong console, it was always that. But these facots are not going to sink nintendo so hard that they will stop and say: Ok lets become 3rd party. They are software winners, not hardwares. As long they keep releasing games with quality that sells good and keep the HW on '''''' normal'''''' numbers ( for them) they wont take that suicidal step.

Really can't understand why you keep defending the idea of Ninty 3rd party. It would be the end of almost half good titles we know. As a guy who grew with these titles, and discovered the awesome from sony with their playstation, I can assume that true gamers would hate hard an epic Zelda game turning in a EA game level... because sorry my friends ... thats how 3rd parties work... they dont care for quality ( not all, just most of them)... they care for sucking all the money from you... sniff sniff.. capcom..

the last paragraph is one big assumption, thats not what happened to Sega

yup its hilarious how nintendo fans would rather have a tablet or phone as nintedno next console instead of making games for a beast of a console called the ps4.

i just havent heard a compelling argument why not? its just if they go 3rd party games would suck? but that makes no sense as Sony and MS machines are more capable than ninty's of late so they could do the usual and then some.

Actually, there are tons of arguments as to why it doesn't make much sens to go third party. One of them (and I believe that this was pointed out earlier in this thread) is that 65% of ALL Nintendo revenue is from selling hardware. Granted, as of NOW, it's not an ideal situation with the current wiiU sales. However, saying that going third party is a better option then manufacturing it's own hardware only means that you're assuming that they won't ever see high sales again which, this way of thinking, is flawed.


How is it flawed? im using present numbers and data. you're assumiing they will see high sales again and i havent seen or heard anything that makes me believe that.



Pemalite on 18 January 2014
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

Yea but the original arguement was that is going X86 for Nintendo better for their developers then having a hardware designed specifically by their developers? And the answer to that is still no... And the cost would still be a lot by comparasion... And I doubt they know how to use it efficiently considering for the past 20 or so years, they have been soley using their own custom CPU/GPU...

If they honestly thought that x86 was a better choice for their developers, Nintendo would have went X86 because there are almost no other company that gives their internal developer more freedom than Nintendo... Just look at how much they are willing to delay their games until they get finished... And I doubt their old collage degrees on x86 would be valid anymore considering most of the developers are still employeed


Well. The developers don't "design" the hardware anyway, that would be counter productive.
They would however provide input on the kinds of things they would like to see.

Besides, Nintendo has changed CPU architectures multiple times in the past from MIPS to PowerPC and used ARM and even what is basically an Intel 8080 and Zilog Z80 hybrid.
Without any drama at all, so that quashes that argument a bit.

Besides when a console is first launched, no one ever develops to the metal, they use a high-level or low-level abstraction layer so they can get to market faster.




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Alby_da_Wolf on 18 January 2014

They'll merge with a renowned company that can provide the necessary skills for the new business model, change their name to Ninzynga and release crossover masterpieces like MarioVille, Satoru Bonkers Saga and Angry Reggie!



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benji232 on 18 January 2014
pezus said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:
chris_wing said:

There is that illogical emotional reaction again, sigh.  Anyways, reported.

And yet you report me... Interesting... The reason why I don't think Nintendo should go third party is that they need their Hardware to make Nintendo Quality games... Just look at Sega, one of the main reasons that they don't make good games anymore is cause they don't have their own hardware to work with that goes with their own specifications... They have to deal with whatever the other console manufactures have and have to learn new code and how to work with the OS

That is way off the mark. Nintendo doesn't make good hardware, plain and simple. By that I mean the developing environment could be a LOT better and the power should be greater. Nintendo's devs would only benefit from being able to use less limiting hardware like Sony's.

Quite frankly, your post is biased, useless and really insulting. "Nintendo doesn't make good hardware" Ok, you think so? Good for you. That doesn't mean that the other millions of people who buy their hardware don't like it. I for one, prefer a lot more the OS in my wiiU compared to the one in the PS3. Also, I prefer their controllers 20 times more then playstation controllers, and just a bit more then xbox. 

I believe Sony and Microsoft should go third party on Nintendo system, they would benefit from the better hardware and controller.

See, it's easy being biased.



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PS4: 120M

XB1: 70M

WiiU: 14M

3DS: 60M

Vita: 13M