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DanneSandin on 17 January 2014
Soundwave said:
DanneSandin said:
Soundwave said:
DanneSandin said:

Yup. I've never denied that; the market has shrunk - but I still think there's a place for dedicated handheld consoles. But they might not sell more than 50m LDT.

I'm curious how Nintendo will tackle the mobile market... Making a phone and tablet of their own? Is it is right now, you can't play Nintendo games on smart devices, because those devices sucks too much - but maybe Nintendo will come up with something that will change that?


There's nothing they can do to combat this problem head on. 

What I think may happen though is they will make their own gaming tablet and try to have that coexist with a cheaper 3DS. 

If they can squeeze 10 million units from both product lines annually, that's 20 million portables sold a year ... which suddenly doesn't seem so bad. 

I think that if/when Nintendo releases a gaming tablet it'll work with the WII U, and they'll release a Wii U sku without the gamepad, and you'll be able to use your Nintendo Tablet instead. But this would mean that they'd need to develop games for 3 different kind of platforms, and they can barelt keep up with two consoles...


I think honestly at this stage Wii U is almost like small potatoes for Nintendo. They'll ride it out and give it the token Mario Kart + Smash + Zelda + whatever else is in development for it and let that be that. 

What they need is a new bonafied hit product line. Wii U is never going to be the money maker Nintendo wants it to be. 

I suspect a Nintendo tablet that can run 3DS games in HD resolution along with legacy games and even some scaled down Wii U ports (DKC: TF, Mario Kart 8, etc.) could perform well for them (within reasonable expectations, don't expect an iPad killer or something ridiculous) without neccessarily demanding completely new software development. 

I'm just curious how a 3DS port would work on a tablet... Would you divede the screen in two, kind of like how the 2DS functions? I think it would be a smarter move to port over some Wii U games, rather than 3DS games. The 3DS is still making money for Nintendo, so why would they wanna cut into those profits? Better port over Wii U games and make the tablet function WITH the Wii U; that way you won't take away sales from the 3DS, and you would boost the software sales of the Wii U and even potantially the Wii U itself.



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Soundwave on 17 January 2014
Cobretti2 said:
Soundwave said:
Cobretti2 said:
Nintendo would have been better off if they let NOA do its thing like they did in the past. NOJ atm controls Reggie's balls.

They really do need some western talent to sell their systems.


Yes that's one of Iwata's gravest mistakes IMO, was neutering NOA after Arakawa/Lincoln left. Because of them Nintendo was able to get games like DKC (which basically won the 16-bit war for them) and GoldenEye (which kept the N64 alive in that period between Mario 64 and Zelda: Oot), and make deals like the Star Wars games which did very well for Nintendo. 

Indeed I think at one stage did NOA own the mariners? or were they just a stakeholder? i remember when they got angel studios to make Ken Griffey Jr baseball, was and still is one of the best baseball games mechanics wise compared to all the crap EA has released.  

From memory ANgel Studios were also workign on other projects for the gamecube then they got canned when NOJ started to tighten the chains on NOA.

I believe NOA technically owns the Mariners still to this day, though they were looking to sell the team last I heard. 



Soleron on 17 January 2014
Cobretti2 said:
Soundwave said:
Cobretti2 said:
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Indeed I think at one stage did NOA own the mariners? or were they just a stakeholder?

They still do.

In fact Mariners fans are complaining that they are completely passive owners, and literally don't care to ever change the managers or make capital available for investment in the stadium or players.



Vinniegambini on 17 January 2014
Soundwave said:
Cobretti2 said:
Soundwave said:
Cobretti2 said:
Nintendo would have been better off if they let NOA do its thing like they did in the past. NOJ atm controls Reggie's balls.

They really do need some western talent to sell their systems.


Yes that's one of Iwata's gravest mistakes IMO, was neutering NOA after Arakawa/Lincoln left. Because of them Nintendo was able to get games like DKC (which basically won the 16-bit war for them) and GoldenEye (which kept the N64 alive in that period between Mario 64 and Zelda: Oot), and make deals like the Star Wars games which did very well for Nintendo. 

Indeed I think at one stage did NOA own the mariners? or were they just a stakeholder? i remember when they got angel studios to make Ken Griffey Jr baseball, was and still is one of the best baseball games mechanics wise compared to all the crap EA has released.  

From memory ANgel Studios were also workign on other projects for the gamecube then they got canned when NOJ started to tighten the chains on NOA.

I believe NOA technically owns the Mariners still to this day, though they were looking to sell the team last I heard. 

Yup NOA owns 55% of the Mariners. Should sell them.



Soundwave on 17 January 2014
DanneSandin said:
Soundwave said:
DanneSandin said:
Soundwave said:
DanneSandin said:

Yup. I've never denied that; the market has shrunk - but I still think there's a place for dedicated handheld consoles. But they might not sell more than 50m LDT.

I'm curious how Nintendo will tackle the mobile market... Making a phone and tablet of their own? Is it is right now, you can't play Nintendo games on smart devices, because those devices sucks too much - but maybe Nintendo will come up with something that will change that?


There's nothing they can do to combat this problem head on. 

What I think may happen though is they will make their own gaming tablet and try to have that coexist with a cheaper 3DS. 

If they can squeeze 10 million units from both product lines annually, that's 20 million portables sold a year ... which suddenly doesn't seem so bad. 

I think that if/when Nintendo releases a gaming tablet it'll work with the WII U, and they'll release a Wii U sku without the gamepad, and you'll be able to use your Nintendo Tablet instead. But this would mean that they'd need to develop games for 3 different kind of platforms, and they can barelt keep up with two consoles...


I think honestly at this stage Wii U is almost like small potatoes for Nintendo. They'll ride it out and give it the token Mario Kart + Smash + Zelda + whatever else is in development for it and let that be that. 

What they need is a new bonafied hit product line. Wii U is never going to be the money maker Nintendo wants it to be. 

I suspect a Nintendo tablet that can run 3DS games in HD resolution along with legacy games and even some scaled down Wii U ports (DKC: TF, Mario Kart 8, etc.) could perform well for them (within reasonable expectations, don't expect an iPad killer or something ridiculous) without neccessarily demanding completely new software development. 

I'm just curious how a 3DS port would work on a tablet... Would you divede the screen in two, kind of like how the 2DS functions? I think it would be a smarter move to port over some Wii U games, rather than 3DS games. The 3DS is still making money for Nintendo, so why would they wanna cut into those profits? Better port over Wii U games and make the tablet function WITH the Wii U; that way you won't take away sales from the 3DS, and you would boost the software sales of the Wii U and even potantially the Wii U itself.

It wouldn't really cut into profits though it would just offer more ways to play the same game. Like MH3U on Wii U doesn't cut into MH3U's profits on the 3DS ... it's the same game, Capcom makes the same money, it's just up to the consumer which version suits their needs better. 

On a tablet I think I'd probably just rework the layout so that it's just one screen, with some secondary touch functions. But it probably wouldn't require a ton of work, many 3DS games simply use the second screen for superfulous functionality. 



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Nintentacle on 17 January 2014

Bye Iwata. 

Edit: So if they're expecting 2.8 million Wii U's sold for this fiscal year, wouldn't that mean they expect 5.6-5.7 million Wii U's sold on March 31st? If so, I think they're underestimating this time. That's only 300-400k away.



superhippy420 on 17 January 2014

I still don't think the Wii U's problems have anything to do with hardware specs or the tablet controller, but has everything to do with the lack of big 1st party games, and Iwata should be taking the blame for this. 3rd Party games have never sold / carried Nintendo's consoles, and they could have pretty much every 3rd party game out there and it still wouldn't matter. People want Nintendo games for their Nintendo Console. The "Wii" franchise (Sports,Fit,Play), Mario,Zelda,Mario Kart, Smash Bros,Donkey Kong,Animal Crossing. Metroid,Kirby,Starfox,F-Zero,Pikmin and all of their other franchises have always been 1 - 2 million sellers and none have ever moved consoles, but have been solid software sellers for Nintendo when their base is there. For Nintendo in their 1st full year to only release (of their big franchises) 2 rehashes (NSMBU,Wind Waker HD), and 1 semi-sequel(SM3DW) is pathetic. For as much as I love SM3DW, it should have been a brand spanking new Mario game that we have never seen before like SMB,SMW,SM64, Sunshine,and Galaxy. I do think Nintendo will do much better in 2014, but they better bring atleast 4 more games on top of Smash,Kart,DK,Bayonetta,X,and Hyrule Warriors. Also Wonderful 101 was a huge mistake, maybe with a big install base it would have done better, but to try to move consoles with it was a big miscalculation. The 3DS fell below expected sales, but it's still making Nintendo money no doubt. It's biggest problem is it has not found its NSMB/Nintendogs/Brain Age to really pump up sales, but thats what happens when you don't take a few chances with some new IP's.



kastark on 17 January 2014

it's 6 million units total till March 2014, more interesting is April 2014 - March 2015
These figures were all known, but off course they take a loss



superhippy420 on 17 January 2014
Aerys said:
That shows 3rd party are important, even if some fans think otherwise, nintendo cant make profit on home console without 3rd party

3rd Party support means nothing for Nintendo.


Wii - 100 million sold - low 3rd party support

Gamecube - 22 million sold - high 3rd party support

 

What they need is to stop screwing around with games like Pikmin and Wonderful 101 that they should be releasing years down the line when an install base is already there, and get their heavy hitters, like Wii Sports,Mario Kart, and Smash Bros out already.   The more I think about it, the more I do think Iwata should be fired.   Just a simple look at past sales could tell you what games Nintendo should be focusing on getting out 1st.    Wii U will pick up alot of steam this year, but Nintendo basically wasted an entire year of its life by not supporting it.



CAB1802 on 17 January 2014

Fire Iwata