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ninetailschris said:
Soundwave said:
mii-gamer said:
Well shit! I did not expect this.

I have to apologize to soundwave - Iwata needs to be removed from the top - maybe new management can ground them to reality


No apology needed. Honestly I'd rather have been wrong because I do genuinely like Nintendo, but they really did all this to themselves. 

They need to become less stubborn and narrow minded. 

Really had nothing do with them with wiiu besides lack of ads and naming. The third party made up there minds way before it was made. People saying "if it was so much powerful" don't realize that it never mattered before. The cost of current porting it much bigger now, so it was bound to happen. Most third party are happy with 2 systems and soon the same with apple.

Hardware power has always mattered. The SNES would've lost to the Genesis if it was just a overclocked NES. The N64 wouldn't have gone anywhere if it was just an overclocked SNES. 

People need to realize the Wii is one exception to the rule ... not the rule itself. That whole formula simply doesn't work unless you have a Wiimote type phenomenon to drive sales. 

And it's next to impossible to recreate that every 5 years like clockwork. 



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So far Wii-U is now officially the worst selling Nintendo console in history, BY FAR:

Shipments first full year:
Gamecube: 5,71m
Wii-U: 2.8m

That's less than half.



The sad thing about the Wii U is it's not even much more powerful than a 7 year old XBox 360, yet it's forcing Nintendo to bleed losses even at $300.

Over engineered to the max (who cares if it consumes only 30 watts, Nintendo? Are you making a portable machine?) means Nintendo is paying out their rear ends for a low performance chip just because they have a massive fetish for cute, small system casing with a $100 controller gimmick that casuals are oblivious to.

It's a nightmarish design. If you're going to make a lower specced console for crying out loud at least make sure it's cheap to manufacture. 



http://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXNASHD1700Y_X10C14A1000000/

Looks like Iwata was quoted, in nikkei, and it looks like he's NOT resigning; however he's apologizing for the bad performance and is looking to fix the current situation of the short term.

In other words...Please Understand.



forethought14 said:
http://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXNASHD1700Y_X10C14A1000000/

Looks like Iwata was quoted, in nikkei, and it looks like he's NOT resigning; however he's apologizing for the bad performance and is looking to fix the current situation of the short term.

In other words...Please Understand.


I used to own Nintendo stock but I ditched it a while ago, but if I was a stockholder, I'd be irate. 

Same empty promises, same excuses. 



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curl-6 said:
I wouldn't shed a tear if Iwata went, he's proven his incompetence time and again; what scares me is that his replacement might be some fuckhead who whores out Nintendo's games on smartphones and destroys their value and hardware business.


so would you care if this guy actually significantly improves Ninty's sales



From NeoGaf, but it kinda hammers it home:

Iwata says Wii will avoid major droughts that plagued GameCube. (March 2007)

Iwata promises that 3DS will avoid major droughts that plagued Wii and DS.

Iwata promises that Wii U will avoid major droughts that plagued 3DS and Wii.

Iwata apologizes for Wii U drought in January and February.


With every freaking hardware launch Iwata also gives the same "this time we're going to focus on getting third party support" speech too. 

It's maddening really. 



Soundwave said:

I used to own Nintendo stock but I ditched it a while ago, but if I was a stockholder, I'd be irate. 

Same empty promises, same excuses. 

Please Understand? 

I don't think "firing Iwata" will solve anything really, what they really need is a realization to...well...reality. Iwata literally needs to please understand his situation and how his current order is creating these losses and missed forecasts. He may have caused the company's only operating losses since entering the console market, but he was also the man who created the most successful environment for Nintendo ever (Wii and DS). I don't think he'll be going down anytime soon, as much as some people want him to. 





superhippy420 said:
zorg1000 said:

Yes they do mean something. SNES sold closer to 50m and that was a time when the video game market was much smaller, it had well over 50% marketshare back then. And look at one of the biggest games on it, Street Fighter a 3rd party franchise sold over 12m on SNES. The Dragon Quest & Final Fantasy series each sold about 8m on SNES, Mortal Kombat did about 5m, the Disney games Aladdin+Lion King+Magical Quest sold 5m. Mega Man sold 2.5m, NBA Jam games sold 2.5m. 3rd parties helped SNES alot, especially in Japan where 12 of the top 20 best sellomg games were 3rd party.

How many of those though actually moved the consoles.   Super Mario World sold 20.6 million.  Super Mario All-Stars sold 10.6 million.  The DKC's combined sold 18 million.   Those are what moved most of the consoles.    The Genesis had most of those 3rd party games too (not Final Fantasy) but Nintendo killed them in terms of the 1st party games and that was that.   I have no doubt that 3rd party games can help Nintendo somewhat, but it will never be a big driving force. 

But that's the point; Sega had a lot of 3rd party support as well, and they nearly kicked Nintendo's ass! Nintendo won because of their 1st party games, but Sega put up a good fight. And just look at PS3 vs X360; MS took half of Sony's market share by having the same 3rd party games. 3rd party games DO matter. They're very important if you wanna remain competative. Just look at the Wii: it wouldn't have stopped selling as fast as it had, if it had good 3rd party support.



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