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Mr Puggsly said:
AnthonyW86 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

My only concern is the poor have access to decent health care and food, they basically get both now.

At this point, maybe healthy poor people need to work harder... or work period.

Rich people don't create jobs. If you want everyone to work, make sure there are jobs to begin with.

The problem is it's like a lottery: most people don't argue with it because they think they have a chance of winning.


Tons of jobs exist for people with skills. More skilled people, more jobs taken.

I agree and developing skills should be rewarded, but isn't $200k/$300k tops enough? Are there skills that justify more than that? A lot of extremely highly educated people in the scientific world make $70k/$80k max. Even a lot of astronauts make less than $100k a year.



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From an external viewpoint in the UK looking at America. It does seem like a country of extremes. Some areas look unpoliced and anarchic. There seems like much injustice. I guess it just looks like a country that is more comfortable with extremes in wealth and the poor dieing or suffering due to lack of health care. Guns are everywhere and crime is high. However for those with money who keep to the right areas its a very good life. I'm sure how it appears isn't quite the full truth but its not a country I would like to be poor in. Middle class or rich yes but certainly not poor especially in some areas.

When you look around the world there doesn't appear to be any perfect system. The USA looks pretty good on teh scale of things compared to Africa or the middle east. I think its better to be poor in most of Europe, Canada and Australasia. I personally think the capitalist system combined with democracy is as good as it gets currently. That's not saying it can't be massively improved.







Developed country problems. In developing countries, poor people don't even get benefits. Nothing like health care and whatnot. most can't get study loans to even acquire skills to get jobs. Poor people are not poor by choice in these countries, contrary to the believe in developed countries, where some believe people are poor by choice.



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AnthonyW86 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
AnthonyW86 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

My only concern is the poor have access to decent health care and food, they basically get both now.

At this point, maybe healthy poor people need to work harder... or work period.

Rich people don't create jobs. If you want everyone to work, make sure there are jobs to begin with.

The problem is it's like a lottery: most people don't argue with it because they think they have a chance of winning.


Tons of jobs exist for people with skills. More skilled people, more jobs taken.

I agree and developing skills should be rewarded, but isn't $200k/$300k tops enough? Are there skills that justify more than that? A lot of extremely highly educated people in the scientific world make $70k/$80k max. Even a lot of astronauts make less than $100k a year.

It doesnt matter matter whether super high incomes are justified or not. 

Those people own the company. They can pay their managers whatever they want and keep all the profit for themselfs if they want to. It has got nothing to do with comparing it to an astronaut or not. Its the whole point of capitalism. Whoever owns the company can do whatever he wants, because its his. Thats it. Arent americans and many other countries proud of this system?

The so called middle class wont complain a lot because they have tv games sex sport and food. Why risk anything when you can sit on the couch in the evening and kill time with stuff like that and go on a holiday once in a while.



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AnthonyW86 said:
Mr Puggsly said:


Tons of jobs exist for people with skills. More skilled people, more jobs taken.

I agree and developing skills should be rewarded, but isn't $200k/$300k tops enough? Are there skills that justify more than that? A lot of extremely highly educated people in the scientific world make $70k/$80k max. Even a lot of astronauts make less than $100k a year.

People should be more focused on making a decent living and less concerned with the super wealthy. If you make 70K-100K, you have enogh money to live well.

I'm not bothered 1% of the country has so much money. But I'm very bothered a much larger chunk of our population don't make an effort to lift themselves out of poverty.



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It doesnt matter matter whether super high incomes are justified or not. 

Those people own the company. They can pay their managers whatever they want and keep all the profit for themselfs if they want to. It has got nothing to do with comparing it to an astronaut or not. Its the whole point of capitalism. Whoever owns the company can do whatever he wants, because its his. Thats it. Arent americans and many other countries proud of this system?

The so called middle class wont complain a lot because they have tv games sex sport and food. Why risk anything when you can sit on the couch in the evening and kill time with stuff like that and go on a holiday once in a while.


I agree with this, well said.



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Mr Puggsly said:
AnthonyW86 said:
Mr Puggsly said:


Tons of jobs exist for people with skills. More skilled people, more jobs taken.

I agree and developing skills should be rewarded, but isn't $200k/$300k tops enough? Are there skills that justify more than that? A lot of extremely highly educated people in the scientific world make $70k/$80k max. Even a lot of astronauts make less than $100k a year.

People should be more focused on making a decent living and less concerned with the super wealthy. If you make 70K-100K, you have enogh money to live well.

I'm not bothered 1% of the country has so much money. But I'm very bothered a much larger chunk of our population don't make an effort to lift themselves out of poverty.

There are lazy people yes, but also alot of people who can't find jobs. And the point is that one person earning a lot of money actually costs jobs. If someone earns say 1 million a year, cutting that salary in half would allow to pay 10 people 50K a year. That's 10 people less living off wellfare, and 1 person earning 500k and 10 earning 50k is better for the economy than 1 person earning 1 million.





Mr Puggsly said:
anonymunchy said:
Mr Puggsly said:

In most cases, being poor is absolutely a choice. Not acquring the skills needed to get a decent paying job is a choice. Espeically when the government hands out money for people to go to school.

There are people that don't work because government benefits give them essentially everything they need to survive. That's a reality, members of my family have been doing it for generations.

Is this something you honestly believe? Where are you getting your information from?


What am I saying you disagree with?

Many people living in poverty lack skills, made bad decisions, or aren't making an effort. I'm not saying anything outrageous, these are facts.

I'm basically saying more people have the ability to lift themselves out of being poor and make decent money. Unfortunately, many don't even try.


"Not acquring the skills needed to get a decent paying job is a choice."
This is far from the truth. Not everyone is born with the same privileges. No one choses where they are born, who raises them, how they get introduced into the world, who teaches them how to live. Someone who is born into poverty may never even realise they want to get out of it. They are a product of their surroundings, just like you. Your words paint an overly simplistic picture of some very complex issues. It may have been a choice for you, it certainly isn't for everyone. Besides this, there is no guarentee that the skill you acquire is going to lead you to a decent paying job. Job markets change constantly and so do education requirements. To go even further, shouldn't "decent paying" be a requirement for all jobs? Someone needs to do the work, so someone needs to survive on what it pays.

Besides some Scandinavian countries I've never heard of a government actually given money to people to go to college. The idea of getting into debt with the government without job security doesn't sound very appealing to me neither.

Not sure whether or not my point will come across, but it's the best I can do right now.