Neither. PS4 has a better shot though.
So which one? | |||
| PS4 first followed by PS3 | 30 | 9.23% | |
| PS3 first followed by PS4 | 145 | 44.62% | |
| Only PS4 will break 100M | 62 | 19.08% | |
| Only PS3 will break 100M | 17 | 5.23% | |
| Neehter! cuz teh Wii U iz the best! | 65 | 20.00% | |
| Xbox anyone? | 6 | 1.85% | |
| Total: | 325 | ||
| bouzane said: DS and Wii trends are irrelevant to the Playstation brand as Nintendo does not support legacy systems nearly as extensively as Sony. In 2012 and 2013 the PSP's sales were down YoY by 42, then 28 percent. If the PS3 trends downward at the same rate then we can expect it to sell 5093833 and 3667560 units in 2014 and 2015. That leaves the lifetime sales at just over 91 million. Unless sales drop another 45 percent in 2016 with production ending by the end of the year sales will exceed 93 million. The PS3 stands to gain from additional price cuts and expansion into developing markets while software sales and development are still quite healthy. The PS3 is in far better shape than the PSP circa 2011 so I think it is a pretty safe bet that LTD unit sales will exceed 95 million. |
You realize NES was supported for over 20yrs and SNES well over 10 or 15 or somethign similar. Plus each portable has been easily as long as an PS console. You clearly have selective memory.
PS3 is not making it to 95m.
| BeElite said: PS 102.49 million Production ended 2006, 12 years after debut. You can bet your left nut PS3 will cross 100m Id love to see what it sales at 99.99 |
That is everyone's folly. It its 12th year it won't have reached 95m let alone 102.49.
PS3 is not PS2 or PS1.
It has a major component that will likely prevent it from being profitable enough at low production runs to be at a $99 price point. The CELL is not owned by Sony anymore and I don't think it can be futher reduced in die size. Thus no more capability exists to reduce its raw costs. Kinda a reason Sony moved to more general platforms for processing in its portable and home console lines.
superchunk said:
That is everyone's folly. It its 12th year it won't have reached 95m let alone 102.49. PS3 is not PS2 or PS1. It has a major component that will likely prevent it from being profitable enough at low production runs to be at a $99 price point. The CELL is not owned by Sony anymore and I don't think it can be futher reduced in die size. Thus no more capability exists to reduce its raw costs. Kinda a reason Sony moved to more general platforms for processing in its portable and home console lines. |
99 might be impossible, but a 149.99 should be realistic.
I see no reason killing it, given the more PS out in the world the more PSN users the more digital sales the more PS+ subscribers the more controllers and what not sold. More markets with PS brand awareness more PS owners looking to upgrade to PS4 in the distant future.
It could equate to it being barely breaking even on the consoel yet overall very lucrative keeping it going, for gods sake PS2 got Fifa 14
Is there any idea what the superslim costs are ?
| BeElite said: 99 might be impossible, but a 149.99 should be realistic. I see no reason killing it, given the more PS out in the world the more PSN users the more digital sales the more PS+ subscribers the more controllers and what not sold. More markets with PS brand awareness more PS owners looking to upgrade to PS4 in the distant future. It could equate to it being barely breaking even on the consoel yet overall very lucrative keeping it going, for gods sake PS2 got Fifa 14 Is there any idea what the superslim costs are ? |
I'm sure $150 is realistic as is $130 or so.
But it there is more to it than just how much can it be reduced. Retailers have to also want to stock and display it. As well as is there general demand for the aging system. We have to remember than this gen lasted longer than previous gens and their successors came well years later than we've seen historically. Its very likely PS360 simply won't be able to sell for so many years after the others.
NES SNES PS1 and PS2 all massively dominated their generations. Thus they had the obvious late gamer appeal due to be the defact source for all of the best games available.
PSWii60 all are going to end with relatively close lifetime sales and no massive dominance. Each with their own selection of great games. I simply do not see any of these consoles lasting the length of time previous generation winners have done post-successor launch. None of them are really similar to those market dominators.
superchunk said:
I'm sure $150 is realistic as is $130 or so. But it there is more to it than just how much can it be reduced. Retailers have to also want to stock and display it. As well as is there general demand for the aging system. We have to remember than this gen lasted longer than previous gens and their successors came well years later than we've seen historically. Its very likely PS360 simply won't be able to sell for so many years after the others. NES SNES PS1 and PS2 all massively dominated their generations. Thus they had the obvious late gamer appeal due to be the defact source for all of the best games available. PSWii60 all are going to end with relatively close lifetime sales and no massive dominance. Each with their own selection of great games. I simply do not see any of these consoles lasting the length of time previous generation winners have done post-successor launch. None of them are really similar to those market dominators. |
130 would be an awseome price.
360 seems to be dropping harder then PS3, add the fact Asia and Europe lay heavely in its favor. Its library is much more fresh and more relevent. Its apperant PS3 will have the longest life, im sure retailers can spare a shelf for the old dog if it means PS4 supplies right. 360 has US but PS3 has a whole emerging world to still sale to.
I also think Sony out of pride will make sure to get past 100m, 3 consoles 3 +100m sellers.
superchunk said:
You realize NES was supported for over 20yrs and SNES well over 10 or 15 or somethign similar. Plus each portable has been easily as long as an PS console. You clearly have selective memory. PS3 is not making it to 95m. |
How are the NES and SNES sales trejectories relevant to the PS3 in any way, shape or form? You clearly are grasping at straws. Boy, don't we all remember all of those great Nintendo games that were released for the Wii in 2012 like Mario Party 9, Kirby's Dream Collection and um... You clearly haven't been spending your time on this site observing sales trends or the strategies employed by either Sony or Nintendo.
I'd say the PS3 will get there first, followed shortly by the PS4.
I also don't get people saying that the PS3 has no chance at hitting 100M. If the PS1 can sell ~30M after the PS2 arrived, and the PS2 can sell ~50M after the launch of the PS3, I don't see why the PS3 wouldn't be able to at least sell another 20M since the launch of the PS4, this past Nov. According to VGC it's already sold 2M+ since then, so it has less than 18M to go.