sc94597 said:
Can you source this dichotomous key you use? I'll make a more semantic argument. Here is the etymology of the word "toy." This seems to verify the use of the word "toy" as a counter to "serious" gamers. http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=toy c.1300, "amorous playing, sport," later "piece of fun or entertainment" (c.1500), "thing of little value, trifle" (1520s), and "thing for a child to play with" (1580s). Of uncertain origin, and there may be more than one word here. Cf. Middle Dutch toy, Dutch tuig "tools, apparatus, stuff, trash," in speeltuig "play-toy, plaything;" German Zeug "stuff, matter, tools," Spielzeug "plaything, toy;" Danish tøi, Swedish tyg "stuff, gear." And if we look at the modern definiton in the Webster and Oxford dictionaries. http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/words/the-oxford-english-dictionary
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/toy : something a child plays with : something that an adult buys or uses for enjoyment or entertainment : something that is very small |
marley said: There is nothing 'smug' about calling video games 'toys'. They ARE toys. A toy by definition is: 1toynoun ˈtȯi : something a child plays with : something that an adult buys or uses for enjoyment or entertainment |
Congratulations, you both know how to use a dictionary and misappropriate definitions in order that nuance is lost. In modern vernacular, especially when discussing the psychology of play, a toy is more than just "something a child plays with", and look at that definition for a moment. Have you ever seen anything more gauche and adorably outdated. For fuck sake, one of you actually quoted Merriam-Websters definition which claims "something that is very small" is a toy. By that definition, a baby carrot is a toy, as is a penny, an elastic band, a pebble, and an ant... depending on what you consider "very small".
It's a sad and pathetic trope on the internet for people to start quoting a "source" rather than make a logical and reasoned argument for their position, it's even more pathetic when the thing they're quoting is a dictionary. For fuck sake, I can quote a dictionary definition right now that states marriage is specifically between "one man and one woman" but something tells me "it's in the dictionary, so nyeh" isn't going to convince any gay marriage advocates is it? You can find a quote to back almost anything you want and we all know how to use Google.
Do either of you have anything that disproves my position that a console is not a toy, and by that I mean something other than a dictionary definition that couldn't also be used to justify both a baby carrot, and a prostitute's mouth as being a toy.