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oniyide said:
curl-6 said:
lucidium said:
curl-6 said:

Not every PS2 owner ran out and bought a PS3 in its first year. Does this mean nobody played their PS2 after a month?

They were most likely playing the Xbox 360.

Most of them would have stuck with their PS2s, since 360 sales by the end of PS3'S first year were  tiny fraction of PS2's install base. Not everyone upgrades to next gen right away.

just out of curiosity what are Wii owners upgrading too? You say it was cut off sometime ago and the successor has been out for more than a year and they aint buying that for sure.

Like I said, some don't upgrade early. Especially to a still expensive system without its biggest software.



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curl-6 said:
oniyide said:

just out of curiosity what are Wii owners upgrading too? You say it was cut off sometime ago and the successor has been out for more than a year and they aint buying that for sure.

Like I said, some don't upgrade early. Especially to a still expensive system without its biggest software.

You are implying that theres a large portion of Wii owners waiting for a key title to buy in to the WiiU, I hope for Nintendos sake that you are right, But the current performance and my gut tell me you're wrong.



lucidium said:
curl-6 said:
lucidium said:

So your honest belief is that 80-90 million Nintendo fans, have sat on their hands for the past year?

Really?

Never said that. Generally, less than half of any console's install base are fans of the brand.

So your honest belief is that 80-90 million Nintendo wii owners, have sat on their hands for the past year?

Really?

Sat on their hands? Hardly. Many are playing Mario Kart, Skylanders, Just Dance, and Disney Infinity on their Wiis.



lucidium said:
curl-6 said:
oniyide said:

just out of curiosity what are Wii owners upgrading too? You say it was cut off sometime ago and the successor has been out for more than a year and they aint buying that for sure.

Like I said, some don't upgrade early. Especially to a still expensive system without its biggest software.

You are implying that theres a large portion of Wii owners waiting for a key title to buy in to the WiiU, I hope for Nintendos sake that you are right, But the current performance and my gut tell me you're wrong.

We'll see, when the price drops and Mario Kart + Smash Bros are out.



curl-6 said:

Sat on their hands? Hardly. Many are playing Mario Kart, Skylanders, Just Dance, and Disney Infinity on their Wiis.

Your "many" and my "many" mean dramatically different things, I think you'll find a large majority of them are now playing on tablets, phones and other consoles.

I know it can be hard to accept that people "switch sides", but its reality, not everyone is as ferrociously loyal as vgchartz forumers.



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lucidium said:
curl-6 said:

Sat on their hands? Hardly. Many are playing Mario Kart, Skylanders, Just Dance, and Disney Infinity on their Wiis.

Your "many" and my "many" mean dramatically different things, I think you'll find a large majority of them are now playing on tablets, phones and other consoles.

I know it can be hard to accept that people "switch sides", but its reality, not everyone is as ferrociously loyal as vgchartz forumers.

Obviously people switch sides, the drop from PS2 to PS3 is proof enough of that. But the "everyone just used it for a month, never touched it again" cliche is simply out of touch with reality. If it were true, we'd be seeing a 2-4 attach rate, and Wii software wouldn't have outsold Wii hardware this latest week by 21:1.



curl-6 said:
lucidium said:
curl-6 said:
oniyide said:

just out of curiosity what are Wii owners upgrading too? You say it was cut off sometime ago and the successor has been out for more than a year and they aint buying that for sure.

Like I said, some don't upgrade early. Especially to a still expensive system without its biggest software.

You are implying that theres a large portion of Wii owners waiting for a key title to buy in to the WiiU, I hope for Nintendos sake that you are right, But the current performance and my gut tell me you're wrong.

We'll see, when the price drops and Mario Kart + Smash Bros are out.


oh come on, those games are not going to put a system that is tracking below GC in the Wii sales category, you are lying to yourself if you believe that. People bought Smash and Kart for WIi because people already HAD a Wii not the other way around. Unless you believe that these games will put up their WIi counterpart numbers because thats the only way you will be right.



oniyide said:
curl-6 said:

We'll see, when the price drops and Mario Kart + Smash Bros are out.


oh come on, those games are not going to put a system that is tracking below GC in the Wii sales category, you are lying to yourself if you believe that. People bought Smash and Kart for WIi because people already HAD a Wii not the other way around. Unless you believe that these games will put up their WIi counterpart numbers because thats the only way you will be right.

Never said it will do Wii numbers. But it will compel many to upgrade who so far have not.



curl-6 said:
oniyide said:
curl-6 said:

We'll see, when the price drops and Mario Kart + Smash Bros are out.


oh come on, those games are not going to put a system that is tracking below GC in the Wii sales category, you are lying to yourself if you believe that. People bought Smash and Kart for WIi because people already HAD a Wii not the other way around. Unless you believe that these games will put up their WIi counterpart numbers because thats the only way you will be right.

Never said it will do Wii numbers. But it will compel many to upgrade who so far have not.

then that doesnt answer my question. Where did all those 100 mil wii owners go? cause as it stands right now it would have retained 1/5th of its audience, for comparison's that much worst than Sony which went form 150mil PS2 to 80mil PS3



curl-6 said:
lucidium said:
curl-6 said:

Sat on their hands? Hardly. Many are playing Mario Kart, Skylanders, Just Dance, and Disney Infinity on their Wiis.

Your "many" and my "many" mean dramatically different things, I think you'll find a large majority of them are now playing on tablets, phones and other consoles.

I know it can be hard to accept that people "switch sides", but its reality, not everyone is as ferrociously loyal as vgchartz forumers.

Obviously people switch sides, the drop from PS2 to PS3 is proof enough of that. But the "everyone just used it for a month, never touched it again" cliche is simply out of touch with reality. If it were true, we'd be seeing a 2-4 attach rate, and Wii software wouldn't have outsold Wii hardware this latest week by 21:1.

Sometimes I think you use the attach rate and software to hardware ratios as an easy way of getting out of discussions, without actually understanding the numbers youre spouting.

An average number does not translate to universal acceptance, its a console that was on sale for 8 years, detracting the game included with virtually every console sold, thats less than 1 game per year for each unit sold, and consider this, if someone bought a console and decided within a few months they no longer wanted it, many would have traded it in towards something they did want, that used console would then be sold again, and the person that bought it likely to pick up a game or two in their lifetime with the console also - with that in mind, your stance on the situation is EXTREMELY narrow minded, as narrow minded as the cliche you keep attacking.

That console would go on to sell a few more software units, but the fact would remain the person that originally bought it, ditched it, potentially within a month - this cycle could, and possible did fairly often, repeat multiple times, the software sales would be high as a result, but the software sales wouldnt change the fact the console was abandoned, would it?

If anything the high software sales compared to hardware sales suggests that a lot of it was down to second hand unit owners buying games, which suggests a lot of users did not stick with their purchases.

Also, given that the hardware has been discontinued, by your own admission, comparing hardware to software sales means absolutely nothing.

one day the stock levels will drop to sub 100 units, and software will still be seeing 50,000 or so units worldwide, that would be a 1:500 ratio, does that mean anything worthwhile? no, not at all.