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Forums - Sales - MS lied about >3million, is actually at 2.8 or 2.9m (famousmortimer rumor)

ethomaz on 10 January 2014

DirtyP2002 said:

Do you want me to tell you, why MS knows more about their sales and their revenue (you know, the stuff they report to investors and pay their taxes for) than NPD? If that is the starting point, it will be a long night and I am tired.

It will be not the first time...

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/01/10/ces-microsoft-reveals-xbox-360-sales-to-date

Real numbers...

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/250700/microsoft-profits-64b-in-holiday-quarter-ships-59m-xbox-360s/

Over 66 million sold = 55.9 million shipped



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Seece on 10 January 2014
ethomaz said:
I and others in VGC already pointed that to both numbers.... 2m and now 3m... the numbers didn't match with others trackers like NPD, GFK, etc... unless Latin American sold way over 500k units.

To be fair MS had the shipped numbers and thougth they sold out everything... so maybe 3 million is the shipments and 2.8 the real sales.

BTW every week I pointed Xbone is overtracked here shoing evidences and numbers from external trackers.


You know what they've done in US in December do you?

You based that on nothing Ethomaz. I love how people here are masterminds at being able to tell if a system has sold either 2.8m or 3m, like there is such a gulf.



 

Seece on 10 January 2014
ethomaz said:

DirtyP2002 said:

Do you want me to tell you, why MS knows more about their sales and their revenue (you know, the stuff they report to investors and pay their taxes for) than NPD? If that is the starting point, it will be a long night and I am tired.

It will be not the first time...

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/01/10/ces-microsoft-reveals-xbox-360-sales-to-date

Real numbers...

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/250700/microsoft-profits-64b-in-holiday-quarter-ships-59m-xbox-360s/

Over 66 million sold = 55.9 million shipped

January 10th. Where did they say 60m end of 2011? Point it out.

Your links are from two different years.

I don't think you get that when MS announce these figures, it's always about 2 weeks after the quarter ends and they've shipped additional units since. It isn't rocket science ethomaz.



 

g911turbo on 10 January 2014
Seece said:

Just because he tells you it's a source that has never been wrong doesn't mean he's telling the truth, he's been trolling for years.

Why is everything MS do/say questionable these days to the point where some guy on a forum is auto believed?

Who was it who peddled the yield issues??


You gotta point there.  A source told me that Sega is releasing a new console this Spring...



g911turbo on 10 January 2014
pezus said:
oldbucsfan said:
Kresnik said:
I... don't think they're allowed to lie to their investors like this. And I don't believe they would do, especially since there's so little to gain from it other than a bit of epeen and some slight damage control.

So yeah, no. Don't believe this.


I doubt any court would take them to task for being off by less than 10%. I'm sure you can fudge a little about your numbers without having to worry about litigation. Now if they had sold 1m and said 3m, then that would be a problem for them.

Yeah, and I don't see why people think that's impossible when they've done it before. Investors didn't rage back then, because they probably didn't even notice.

How do we know that Sony didn't fudge their numbers because they wanted to make the gap look more impressive?



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toastboy44562 on 11 January 2014

Lol at all the sony fanboys hoping that microsoft didnt sell 3 million. At least Seece and I are living in reality



babuks on 11 January 2014
Seece said:

Just because he tells you it's a source that has never been wrong doesn't mean he's telling the truth, he's been trolling for years.

Why is everything MS do/say questionable these days to the point where some guy on a forum is auto believed?

Who was it who peddled the yield issues??


To some people, a former troll may be more believable than Microsoft. Microsoft haven't been truthful and trustworthy recently.



MB1025 on 11 January 2014
babuks said:
Seece said:

Just because he tells you it's a source that has never been wrong doesn't mean he's telling the truth, he's been trolling for years.

Why is everything MS do/say questionable these days to the point where some guy on a forum is auto believed?

Who was it who peddled the yield issues??


To some people, a former troll may be more believable than Microsoft. Microsoft haven't been truthful and trustworthy recently.

Haven't been truthful and trustorthy about what? Just because they had a vision and a certain strategy that people didn't agree with doesn't mean they are all of a sudden these ultimate liars who are looking to burn the public at every turn.

Then they changed all their new policies because people were not buying in. Not because they are all of a sudden not trustworthy. If they are faking numbers they will be a much bigger shit storm than a few idiots on a forum trying to convince each other what is right or wrong here.

Which to me means they are not lying.

I am still trying to figure out why the admins on this site are allowing these type of thread titles and threds from a second hand source that has been iffy over the past few months.



babuks on 11 January 2014
MB1025 said:
babuks said:
Seece said:

Just because he tells you it's a source that has never been wrong doesn't mean he's telling the truth, he's been trolling for years.

Why is everything MS do/say questionable these days to the point where some guy on a forum is auto believed?

Who was it who peddled the yield issues??


To some people, a former troll may be more believable than Microsoft. Microsoft haven't been truthful and trustworthy recently.

Haven't been truthful and trustorthy about what? Just because they had a vision and a certain strategy that people didn't agree with doesn't mean they are all of a sudden these ultimate liars who are looking to burn the public at every turn.

Then they changed all their new policies because people were not buying in. Not because they are all of a sudden not trustworthy. If they are faking numbers they will be a much bigger shit storm than a few idiots on a forum trying to convince each other what is right or wrong here.

Which to me means they are not lying.

I am still trying to figure out why the admins on this site are allowing these type of thread titles and threds from a second hand source that has been iffy over the past few months.


Running games on high end pc and advertising as Xone footage, for example.



Scoobes on 11 January 2014

I don't get the problem even if the did over-inflate their numbers by a few percent. It was a PR statement, not a statement to investors so you can expect some margin for error and a bit of rounding up.




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