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Forums - Sales Discussion - PS4 Will Probably Outsell Wii U by Spring Globally - Michael Pachter

zorg1000 on 03 January 2014
Zero999 said:
supernihilist said:
By March they ll be 6m WiiU vs 5.5m PS4

May sounds about right. Still we will have to wait what kind of a boost MK8 gives WiiU and how SW performs on PS4

you expect wii u to sell close to 0 units in 2/3 months?


How are u coming up with 0? There is one week left of 2013 sales which will likely put Wii U at 5.2-5.3m so that means he predicts 700-800k for Q1



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oniyide on 03 January 2014
eyeofcore said:
oniyide said:
eyeofcore said:
Faust said:
eyeofcore said:

Everyone makes mistakes, including you and me... But I don't make mistakes when comes to estimation and predictions because I do research and I look at smallest detail possible then I calculate all the variables, factors and effects of upcoming events. I don't think you have an eye for detail like I do...

allow me to be sceptical about this one.

 

Your last predicction was about Wii U to reach an install base of at least 12.5 million in worst case scenario and 18 million in best case scenario by end of 2014... Well in that case i would say wii u will sell 1 to 30,000,000 by the end of 2014. Pretty sure i cannot miss in this one = D

You are making a elephant out of a flee... Best case scenario is if Nintendo announces a couple of more exclusives from1st/2nd party and if 3rd party developers also make an exclusive.

im sorry but are you back tracking on your prediction?


I am sorry... But I need to ask you this... Can you read or not?

I am not back tracking. 12.5 million is worst case scenario, 18 million is best possible if Nintendo makes all the right moves(more 1st/2nd/3rd party exclusives, persuade some 3rd party to jump back and bring some, if software sales are good then even dropping price to 250$ near holidays of 2014).

There was a recent rumor of another 3rd party exclusive and people are speculating, it could be Devil's Third which would be a bit smaller "Megaton" than Bayonetta 2 yet it could also be Shenmue 3 because of DLC that introduces Ryo which has a vehicle with Shen3 on  license plate so it could be a hint for Shenmue 3 which may be a Wii U exclusive since Nintendo has a 3 game deal with Sega.

so you are basing your theories on...rumours? Yeah we got a bright one here. Wii U isnt adding an additional 13 mil consoles sold. Because its already Jan and they cant really make right moves, there not getting 3rd party exclusives, nothing that will be substantial and devil's 3rd is not a megaton, the fact that you think that ensures i can never take you seriously. I think your worst case scenario is the most likely case. Aw hell ill say 14mil to be generous. And Sega had a 3 SONIC game deal, at least get your facts right.



Seece on 03 January 2014
oniyide said:
eyeofcore said:
oniyide said:
eyeofcore said:
Faust said:
eyeofcore said:

Everyone makes mistakes, including you and me... But I don't make mistakes when comes to estimation and predictions because I do research and I look at smallest detail possible then I calculate all the variables, factors and effects of upcoming events. I don't think you have an eye for detail like I do...

allow me to be sceptical about this one.

 

Your last predicction was about Wii U to reach an install base of at least 12.5 million in worst case scenario and 18 million in best case scenario by end of 2014... Well in that case i would say wii u will sell 1 to 30,000,000 by the end of 2014. Pretty sure i cannot miss in this one = D

You are making a elephant out of a flee... Best case scenario is if Nintendo announces a couple of more exclusives from1st/2nd party and if 3rd party developers also make an exclusive.

im sorry but are you back tracking on your prediction?


I am sorry... But I need to ask you this... Can you read or not?

I am not back tracking. 12.5 million is worst case scenario, 18 million is best possible if Nintendo makes all the right moves(more 1st/2nd/3rd party exclusives, persuade some 3rd party to jump back and bring some, if software sales are good then even dropping price to 250$ near holidays of 2014).

There was a recent rumor of another 3rd party exclusive and people are speculating, it could be Devil's Third which would be a bit smaller "Megaton" than Bayonetta 2 yet it could also be Shenmue 3 because of DLC that introduces Ryo which has a vehicle with Shen3 on  license plate so it could be a hint for Shenmue 3 which may be a Wii U exclusive since Nintendo has a 3 game deal with Sega.

so you are basing your theories on...rumours? Yeah we got a bright one here. Wii U isnt adding an additional 13 mil consoles sold. Because its already Jan and they cant really make right moves, there not getting 3rd party exclusives, nothing that will be substantial and devil's 3rd is not a megaton, the fact that you think that ensures i can never take you seriously. I think your worst case scenario is the most likely case. Aw hell ill say 14mil to be generous. And Sega had a 3 SONIC game deal, at least get your facts right.

14m is crazy, best case scenario at this point. Will at best be 11m.



 

oniyide on 03 January 2014
Seece said:
oniyide said:
eyeofcore said:
oniyide said:
eyeofcore said:
Faust said:
eyeofcore said:

Everyone makes mistakes, including you and me... But I don't make mistakes when comes to estimation and predictions because I do research and I look at smallest detail possible then I calculate all the variables, factors and effects of upcoming events. I don't think you have an eye for detail like I do...

allow me to be sceptical about this one.

 

Your last predicction was about Wii U to reach an install base of at least 12.5 million in worst case scenario and 18 million in best case scenario by end of 2014... Well in that case i would say wii u will sell 1 to 30,000,000 by the end of 2014. Pretty sure i cannot miss in this one = D

You are making a elephant out of a flee... Best case scenario is if Nintendo announces a couple of more exclusives from1st/2nd party and if 3rd party developers also make an exclusive.

im sorry but are you back tracking on your prediction?


I am sorry... But I need to ask you this... Can you read or not?

I am not back tracking. 12.5 million is worst case scenario, 18 million is best possible if Nintendo makes all the right moves(more 1st/2nd/3rd party exclusives, persuade some 3rd party to jump back and bring some, if software sales are good then even dropping price to 250$ near holidays of 2014).

There was a recent rumor of another 3rd party exclusive and people are speculating, it could be Devil's Third which would be a bit smaller "Megaton" than Bayonetta 2 yet it could also be Shenmue 3 because of DLC that introduces Ryo which has a vehicle with Shen3 on  license plate so it could be a hint for Shenmue 3 which may be a Wii U exclusive since Nintendo has a 3 game deal with Sega.

so you are basing your theories on...rumours? Yeah we got a bright one here. Wii U isnt adding an additional 13 mil consoles sold. Because its already Jan and they cant really make right moves, there not getting 3rd party exclusives, nothing that will be substantial and devil's 3rd is not a megaton, the fact that you think that ensures i can never take you seriously. I think your worst case scenario is the most likely case. Aw hell ill say 14mil to be generous. And Sega had a 3 SONIC game deal, at least get your facts right.

14m is crazy, best case scenario at this point. Will at best be 11m.


damn, you got no faith in Wii U...i respect that.



zorg1000 on 03 January 2014
Seece said:
oniyide said:
eyeofcore said:
oniyide said:
eyeofcore said:
Faust said:
eyeofcore said:

Everyone makes mistakes, including you and me... But I don't make mistakes when comes to estimation and predictions because I do research and I look at smallest detail possible then I calculate all the variables, factors and effects of upcoming events. I don't think you have an eye for detail like I do...

allow me to be sceptical about this one.

 

Your last predicction was about Wii U to reach an install base of at least 12.5 million in worst case scenario and 18 million in best case scenario by end of 2014... Well in that case i would say wii u will sell 1 to 30,000,000 by the end of 2014. Pretty sure i cannot miss in this one = D

You are making a elephant out of a flee... Best case scenario is if Nintendo announces a couple of more exclusives from1st/2nd party and if 3rd party developers also make an exclusive.

im sorry but are you back tracking on your prediction?


I am sorry... But I need to ask you this... Can you read or not?

I am not back tracking. 12.5 million is worst case scenario, 18 million is best possible if Nintendo makes all the right moves(more 1st/2nd/3rd party exclusives, persuade some 3rd party to jump back and bring some, if software sales are good then even dropping price to 250$ near holidays of 2014).

There was a recent rumor of another 3rd party exclusive and people are speculating, it could be Devil's Third which would be a bit smaller "Megaton" than Bayonetta 2 yet it could also be Shenmue 3 because of DLC that introduces Ryo which has a vehicle with Shen3 on  license plate so it could be a hint for Shenmue 3 which may be a Wii U exclusive since Nintendo has a 3 game deal with Sega.

so you are basing your theories on...rumours? Yeah we got a bright one here. Wii U isnt adding an additional 13 mil consoles sold. Because its already Jan and they cant really make right moves, there not getting 3rd party exclusives, nothing that will be substantial and devil's 3rd is not a megaton, the fact that you think that ensures i can never take you seriously. I think your worst case scenario is the most likely case. Aw hell ill say 14mil to be generous. And Sega had a 3 SONIC game deal, at least get your facts right.

14m is crazy, best case scenario at this point. Will at best be 11m.

10-12m sounds about right to me. Thats 5-7m in 2014 or about a 100%YoY increase



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Seece on 03 January 2014
zorg1000 said:
Seece said:
oniyide said:
eyeofcore said:


I am sorry... But I need to ask you this... Can you read or not?

I am not back tracking. 12.5 million is worst case scenario, 18 million is best possible if Nintendo makes all the right moves(more 1st/2nd/3rd party exclusives, persuade some 3rd party to jump back and bring some, if software sales are good then even dropping price to 250$ near holidays of 2014).

There was a recent rumor of another 3rd party exclusive and people are speculating, it could be Devil's Third which would be a bit smaller "Megaton" than Bayonetta 2 yet it could also be Shenmue 3 because of DLC that introduces Ryo which has a vehicle with Shen3 on  license plate so it could be a hint for Shenmue 3 which may be a Wii U exclusive since Nintendo has a 3 game deal with Sega.

so you are basing your theories on...rumours? Yeah we got a bright one here. Wii U isnt adding an additional 13 mil consoles sold. Because its already Jan and they cant really make right moves, there not getting 3rd party exclusives, nothing that will be substantial and devil's 3rd is not a megaton, the fact that you think that ensures i can never take you seriously. I think your worst case scenario is the most likely case. Aw hell ill say 14mil to be generous. And Sega had a 3 SONIC game deal, at least get your facts right.

14m is crazy, best case scenario at this point. Will at best be 11m.

10-12m sounds about right to me. Thats 5-7m in 2014 or about a 100%YoY increase

Yeah, although I mean there is nothing stopping it from having a similar year. Nobody predicted these awful awful sales in the first place so 2014 isn't saved just because of Mario Kart and SSB. I'm sure it'll do better, but one has to be prepared for under 10m LTD end of 2014 as well.



 

eyeofcore on 03 January 2014
oniyide said:
eyeofcore said:
oniyide said:
eyeofcore said:
Faust said:
eyeofcore said:

Everyone makes mistakes, including you and me... But I don't make mistakes when comes to estimation and predictions because I do research and I look at smallest detail possible then I calculate all the variables, factors and effects of upcoming events. I don't think you have an eye for detail like I do...

allow me to be sceptical about this one.

 

Your last predicction was about Wii U to reach an install base of at least 12.5 million in worst case scenario and 18 million in best case scenario by end of 2014... Well in that case i would say wii u will sell 1 to 30,000,000 by the end of 2014. Pretty sure i cannot miss in this one = D

You are making a elephant out of a flee... Best case scenario is if Nintendo announces a couple of more exclusives from1st/2nd party and if 3rd party developers also make an exclusive.

im sorry but are you back tracking on your prediction?


I am sorry... But I need to ask you this... Can you read or not?

I am not back tracking. 12.5 million is worst case scenario, 18 million is best possible if Nintendo makes all the right moves(more 1st/2nd/3rd party exclusives, persuade some 3rd party to jump back and bring some, if software sales are good then even dropping price to 250$ near holidays of 2014).

There was a recent rumor of another 3rd party exclusive and people are speculating, it could be Devil's Third which would be a bit smaller "Megaton" than Bayonetta 2 yet it could also be Shenmue 3 because of DLC that introduces Ryo which has a vehicle with Shen3 on  license plate so it could be a hint for Shenmue 3 which may be a Wii U exclusive since Nintendo has a 3 game deal with Sega.

so you are basing your theories on...rumours?

No... You need to learn how to read properly, please understand...

Yeah we got a bright one here. Wii U isnt adding an additional 13 mil consoles sold.

You seriously need to improve your reading skills... Did I say it will sell 13 million units? No... Just because I gave for best case scenario that it could sell 13 million does not mean that it will happen in my personal opinion, it is in case by some relatively possible miracle/sequence of events that would make it possible not that it will happen for sure... Its a posibility.

Because its already Jan and they cant really make right moves, there not getting 3rd party exclusives, nothing that will be substantial and devil's 3rd is not a megaton, the fact that you think that ensures i can never take you seriously.

You are to be laugh at... You probably don't follow news involving Wii U and Nintendo to be more up to date and Nintendo didn't reveal everything for 2014. Wii Fit U bundles are getting released in January and marketing for Wii Fit U is starting so it will help sales a bit, nothing big yet it will make a small dent...

How can you be sure they are not getting 3rd party exclusives in 2014? Do you have a proof or just a mere speculation without any proof... How can you be sure that there won't be anything substantial? Devil's 3rd not a megaton... Okay. You didn't check various forums... lol

Oh... Now you will come up with facts... Imaginary "facts". hahaha

I think your worst case scenario is the most likely case. Aw hell ill say 14mil to be generous.

12.5 million is a very easy target for Nintendo to reach, 14 million is not of questions and you are not being generous because 16 million I would consider generous...

And Sega had a 3 SONIC game deal, at least get your facts right.

Okay... So two exclusive Sonic games were out in 2013 and last one is this year(2014)...

Look who talks about facts... Pff... Get out of here... *yawn*





Seece on 03 January 2014

Eyeofcore .. you're completely ignoring all the obvious signs that have been given to you. Look at 2013 sales and USE that evidence for your 2014 predictions.



 

Zero999 on 03 January 2014
dsp333 said:

Zero999 said:

I'm speechless.


Can't argue that. If I humiliated myself as much as you, I'd desperately try to dodge the point discussion and attempt to save face by distracting with petty personal insults too.

Let me be frank with you Zero, you're transparent. You're the emperor with no clothing. You're probably too stupid and pigheaded to come to terms with this, but it's probably better you stop posting and collect your thoughts better for next time... Not that I want you to, though, I don't think I have to worry about that. :)

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trixiemafia86 on 03 January 2014

Sounds about right, with the way things are looking now
btw 5 games just sold over a million in less than 5 weeks
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=175364&page=1#



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