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SubiyaCryolite said:

Feel free to take a look at Twilight and Biebers albums on metcritic Mister (hint, neither are good). Denial is not just  river in Egypt

Twilight and Beiber are popular because many people have a positive opinion of them. And that's all reviews are: opinions.



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Kane1389 said:
MohammadBadir said:
Kane1389 said:
Cheebee said:
If graphics mattered, N64 would have demolished PS1; GameCube & Xbox would've trounced PS2; PSP would have eaten DS alive; Wii would've been destroyed by PS360, and Vita would rule supreme over 3DS. Also, Nintendo would never have released another handheld after the original GameBoy.


And PS4 would have..oh wait!

outsold the 3DS, but that ain't happening either


Supply issues, without Japan.  But of course you already know that. For what it's worth, its tracking above 3DS and will probably outsell it LTD , since 3DS already peaked

It just won´t, because Japan don´t care about home consoles anymore and the launch hype has already passed.



Dr.EisDrachenJaeger said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
Nintendo fans will always claim that art style is more important than graphics (they determine what's important btw) and that their games have better art purely because it suits them. Unlike graphics art is entirely subjective to boot. "Wii games look better to me", well good for you buddy.


Technology is a tool one uses to do their job.

You're not making a game to be all about the tech.

You use the tech to make a game.

Its called questioning if people have their priorities straight

 

Crysis has an artsyle. As has Journey and Uncharted. Sure the island in Crysis could have had fairly basic cartoony texures, clever bloom and look like a fully 3D Escape from Monkey Island with suits and guns. Buts thats not the route Crytek and many others take.

Some games require power, plain and simple. Not everything can be masked by cartoony textures and clever use of bloom. BioShock Infinite is a perfect example, it has a great cartoony style mixed with realistic environments, large scope and good lighting. It pushes and lags on 7th gen consoles. When most non Nintendo games target more relistic artsyles insisting that tech doesnt matter is moot. Unless 3rd partys completely dont matter, I feel thats a bad stance to take. The Wii and WiiU will miss out on MANY good games purely because of the power gap.

People like pointing to the Gamecube as an excuse for Nintendo abandoning up to par hardware. Forgetting its image problem, lack of storage space and not as robust online among other things. Despite that it still got most major third party games, something the Wii and soon Wii U wont be able to boast about. Another reason the Wii ws so weak is becuse it was a huge risk. Nintendo didnt and wasnt going to lose much if it didnt take off like it did. Graphics dont mtter from Nintendo is like the power of the cloud from MS and the power of the cell from Sony. Pure Bullshit and PR nonsense that only the most hardcore of fanboys hold onto as gospel truh. If graphics really didnt matter WiiU would be selling like hot cakes, it isnt. People feel it doesnt offer much over the competition and graphics  is definately a factor.

3D World and Killer Instinct are both 720p60fps. Do you honestly think they require the same raw GPU grunt to run. Could KI in its current form run on the U? Hell no. Is it so hard to believe that somehow, somewhere peole prefer the look of games like Uncharted and Halo 4 over Mario and DK?

Most crossplatform games push relistic artstyle (btw Im delibertely using this word instead of graphics to get past hypocricy) so comprisons are inevitble. For petes sake even phones render in 1080p and have quad cores and 2GBs of RAM.

Nvidia just announced a mobile GPU that beats the Ps3 and 360 by 50% in raw rendering power, this probably means it beats the WiiU already. This mobile GPU also supports Unreal 4. If the WiiU is still in active use 4 years from now how will games on it look compared to the competition? Why would anyone choose the Wii U version of any third party game assuming they get any to begin with?

To me deliberatley gimping your hardware is shooting yourself in the foot. Even though PS1, PS2/dreamcast were the weakest consoles in their gen, they where still a significant leap over every system in past gens . Soul Blade/Edge (PS1) vs Soul Calibur (DC) was HUUUGE for exmple. But with the WiiU, its like they didnt even try. Its like they dont even WANT to try. 

Its like "eff this. Overclock the Wii based Gamecube based cpu to the max and put three of them. Three not four or six, three is enough. Just like the 360 from 2005. We dont even have hyperthreading but who cares, OOP. Order the chepest DX11 GPUs vailble, cheapest you hear me. A 5670 equivalent sir? No no no, too powerful you moron something like a 4650. Get the slowest DDR 3 RAM availble, screw bandwidth Mario doesnt need alpha. Make sure our OS uses half of it too, for no apprent reason.  A custom linux loader would more than half that blueprint sir. Screw you I dont care just do it, and make it slow as hell too. Get low capacity flash drives that wont allow textures to be cached. No HD texture packs, our fans will call the devs lzy. They wont call us cheap, ha! Third partys wont like that but we dont care, were Nintendo. If things get tough 3rd partys can use the 32MB esRAM and GPGPU to get past AAAALL other short comings. It'll work trust me". 

Sure thats dramatic and an oversimplifiction but thats how I feel about the WiiU hrdware in general. The whole thing is  giant WTF from my point of view.



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

curl-6 said:
SubiyaCryolite said:

Feel free to take a look at Twilight and Biebers albums on metcritic Mister (hint, neither are good). Denial is not just  river in Egypt

Twilight and Beiber are popular because many people have a positive opinion of them. And that's all reviews are: opinions.

Your point about popularity affecting scores on Metacritic is nonsense. Dismissing the PS3 having 4 times the amount of 80+ rated games than the Wii on Metacritic is nonsense. You fail to bring up any game or media getting an inappropriate score on metacritic. I'm sure every game you consider good is considered good on metacritic. Same with any game you fairly consider to be bad. So I dont know what your issue with metacritic is. Popularity didnt stop Twilight Saga from getting 50 and 40 metascores. It didn't help killzone, ryse or crysis 3. Resident Evil 6 or Dead Space 3. Didnt affect relatively niche Croc 2 or Escape From Monky Island which Ive always considered good fun games from getting appropriate scores.



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

SubiyaCryolite said:
curl-6 said:
SubiyaCryolite said:

Feel free to take a look at Twilight and Biebers albums on metcritic Mister (hint, neither are good). Denial is not just  river in Egypt

Twilight and Beiber are popular because many people have a positive opinion of them. And that's all reviews are: opinions.

Your point about popularity affecting scores on Metacritic is nonsense. Dismissing the PS3 having 4 times the amount of 80+ rated games than the Wii on Metacritic is nonsense. You fail to bring up any game or media getting an inappropriate score on metacritic. I'm sure every game you consider good is considered good on metacritic. Same with any game you fairly consider to be bad. So I dont know what your issue with metacritic is. Popularity didnt stop Twilight Saga from getting 50 and 40 metascores. It didn't help killzone, ryse or crysis 3. Resident Evil 6 or Dead Space 3. Didnt affect relatively niche Croc 2 or Escape From Monky Island which Ive always considered good fun games from getting appropriate scores.

Holding up reviews as some bastion of absolute objective truth is nonsense.

Smash Bros Brawl. Metal Gear Solid 4. Grand Theft Auto 4. Heavy Rain. High metacritic scores, shitty games.



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Rogerioandrade said:
Kane1389 said:
MohammadBadir said:
Kane1389 said:
Cheebee said:
If graphics mattered, N64 would have demolished PS1; GameCube & Xbox would've trounced PS2; PSP would have eaten DS alive; Wii would've been destroyed by PS360, and Vita would rule supreme over 3DS. Also, Nintendo would never have released another handheld after the original GameBoy.


And PS4 would have..oh wait!

outsold the 3DS, but that ain't happening either


Supply issues, without Japan.  But of course you already know that. For what it's worth, its tracking above 3DS and will probably outsell it LTD , since 3DS already peaked

It just won´t, because Japan don´t care about home consoles anymore and the launch hype has already passed.


It will add 50-70k of sales per week, and Japan accounted for less than 20% of any PlayStation's LTD sales, so it wont matter much in the long run



curl-6 said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
curl-6 said:
SubiyaCryolite said:

Feel free to take a look at Twilight and Biebers albums on metcritic Mister (hint, neither are good). Denial is not just  river in Egypt

Twilight and Beiber are popular because many people have a positive opinion of them. And that's all reviews are: opinions.

Your point about popularity affecting scores on Metacritic is nonsense. Dismissing the PS3 having 4 times the amount of 80+ rated games than the Wii on Metacritic is nonsense. You fail to bring up any game or media getting an inappropriate score on metacritic. I'm sure every game you consider good is considered good on metacritic. Same with any game you fairly consider to be bad. So I dont know what your issue with metacritic is. Popularity didnt stop Twilight Saga from getting 50 and 40 metascores. It didn't help killzone, ryse or crysis 3. Resident Evil 6 or Dead Space 3. Didnt affect relatively niche Croc 2 or Escape From Monky Island which Ive always considered good fun games from getting appropriate scores.

Holding up reviews as some bastion of absolute objective truth is nonsense.

Smash Bros Brawl. Metal Gear Solid 4. Grand Theft Auto 4. Heavy Rain. High metacritic scores, shitty games.

Wat.

How are they shit games? >_> Good god man, the only one there that was overhyped and circlejerked around was GTA IV, but it was a good game none the less. It wasn't  the best iteration in the series but shitty? Come on.



hinch said:
curl-6 said:

Holding up reviews as some bastion of absolute objective truth is nonsense.

Smash Bros Brawl. Metal Gear Solid 4. Grand Theft Auto 4. Heavy Rain. High metacritic scores, shitty games.

Wat.

How are they shit games? >_> Good god man, the only one there that was overhyped and circlejerked around was GTA IV, but it was a good game none the less. It wasn't  the best iteration in the series but shitty? Come on.

Brawl: Horribly twitchy, floaty controls/physics.

MGS 4: Too much focus on story, not enough on gameplay.

GTA4: Tedious.

Heavy Rain: Glorified straight-to-DVD movie.



curl-6 said:
hinch said:
curl-6 said:

Holding up reviews as some bastion of absolute objective truth is nonsense.

Smash Bros Brawl. Metal Gear Solid 4. Grand Theft Auto 4. Heavy Rain. High metacritic scores, shitty games.

Wat.

How are they shit games? >_> Good god man, the only one there that was overhyped and circlejerked around was GTA IV, but it was a good game none the less. It wasn't  the best iteration in the series but shitty? Come on.

Brawl: Horribly twitchy, floaty controls/physics.

MGS 4: Too much focus on story, not enough on gameplay.

GTA4: Tedious.

Heavy Rain: Glorified straight-to-DVD movie.

Yeah well, the general consensus says no. They are quality titles that people enjoyed and deservedly got praised for.

Also, not sure what "Glorified straight-to-DVD movie" is supposed to mean. It plays like a point and click adventure game and was well received among the gaming community and media press.



hinch said:
curl-6 said:

Brawl: Horribly twitchy, floaty controls/physics.

MGS 4: Too much focus on story, not enough on gameplay.

GTA4: Tedious.

Heavy Rain: Glorified straight-to-DVD movie.

Yeah well, the general consensus says no. They are quality titles that people enjoyed and got deservedly got praised for.

Also, not sure what "Glorified straight-to-DVD movie" is supposed to mean. It plays like a point and click adventure game and was well received among the gaming community and media press.

I do not care what the gaming community or the media say. I am capable of thinking for myself and forming my own opinions. :)