What about PS2 and PS then, vast majoiry if its gaming existance SCE comes through on exclusives.  It seems history seems favorable to PS4 likely exclusive dominance over xbox.  360 got by on the fact it dropped a year earlier and was easier to program for, both advantages it no longer has.

Even if gaming consoles do Netflix for free, they don't do them very well.  I bought an Apple TV and now Roku 3 for that.  Much better at streatming video and DNLA and much much cheaper (less than $100).  Plus almost ALL new HD TV now are smart TV's and have Netflix and Youtube built in so that is not even a benefit of any console.  The reason I pay for XBOX Live is to play multi player and to ensure I have RELIABLE always available servers and connections.  It is always the reason to pay for XBOX Live.  Anything else is a bonus but not a necessity.  Anyone who buys a $300-$500 console just for free netflix and youtube is just silly when they can buy a google chromecast for just $35.

The major limitation of the xbox one really is that 32MB of ESRAM. Same amount as wii u which is a far less capable console. We have seen games that initally release at 720p but are patched to 900p later or 900p to 1080p. This is the result of having to optimise that 32MB of memory to fit everything in. It's simply a limitation the ps4 doesn't have, not only is the gpu about 40-50% more powerful in graphic cores, but it is 2x capacity in rendering output and has full access with no restriction to incredibly high bandwidth GDDR5 memory. This bodes well for 4K support, full use of 1080p, 3D support and their upcoming VR visor.

There will likely come a time when more casual gamers start to realise the huge difference in power and the xbox one price premium will become unsustainable and may even fall below that of the ps4.

I saw Forza on display in store on xbox one. There was some aliasing on what I'm sure was a 1080p display. I was not impressed. Car models were nice but the general look of the surroundings, sky etc still looked last gen.

The 32Mb of eSRAM isn't a limitation. Developers don't have to use it at all.

The real limitation is the DDR3 and the lack of compute resources, but the same could be said for the Playstation 4 in comparison to the PC which will become evident in a few years.

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Without the 32MB of ESRAM you have 12 gpu compute units and 8 cpu's all sharing the same pool of memory of low bandwidth DDR memory. The ESRAM is there to help solve that issue but there is only 32MB of it. It's a clear limitation. Cache memory is there to remove latency issues and help coordinate use of bandwidth but there is clearly an issue with the xbox one, cache can't create extra bandwidth.

Also remember both GPU's have compute functionality. So the extra power of the PS4 GPU can be utilised for additional compute power if necessary which again means for CPU intensive games it can have an advantage. Obviously if the GPU is used for this then actual GPU work has to be reduced but there may be games where the PS4 advantage is an improved physics engine or more characters on screen or improved AI.

The PS4 is just a much more powerful design and will be capable of greater things than xbox one.

Nothing I've written is in anyway controversial and has been discussed many times on many forums about the advantages  of the PS4. If you believe otherwise then why not explain your reasoning instead of childish, bitchy comments.

The eSRAM isn't a limitation. Developers don't have to use it, they have a choice.
If developers make use of it, they get a performance boost, how could that be described as a limitation when it increases performance?

Is it as Ideal as the memory set-up in the Playstation 4? Heck no. But it's still not a limitation.
Fact of the matter is both systems are going to have games that look downright fantastic, eSRAM or not. (Granted at only HD resolutions. Ugh.)

In the end, most games won't be any different across platforms, save for some minor details (That people will most certainly blow out of proportion), most developers use 3rd party game engines and don't optimise for any specific platform to a massive degree, it's only the first party developers who generally push the envelope.

But if you are indeed worried about graphics and performance, get a PC and stop stressing.

You can see the difference, especially for games like Call of Duty. 1080p looks so much smoother then 720p.

However I think the main reason why people are saying PS4 is better then XB1 is because it's cheaper, and better optimized for gaming. No ads in the display, just a simple easy to navigate menu. Plus PSN being cheaper then XBLG ($10 difference per year, or $7 difference on 3 month cards) makes a big difference.

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