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Juma009 on 20 December 2013

He's right, that game is way overrated.



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outlawauron on 20 December 2013
PattonFiend said:

With that mentality, XB1 and PS4 shouldn't get it as well because they have HALF the amount of consoles on the market.

And they aren't getting Dark Souls 2. What is your point?

Although, by the time this releases, it's not unlikely both will have passed Wii U.



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JGarret on 20 December 2013
outlawauron said:
PattonFiend said:

With that mentality, XB1 and PS4 shouldn't get it as well because they have HALF the amount of consoles on the market.

And they aren't getting Dark Souls 2. What is your point?

Although, by the time this releases, it's not unlikely both will have passed Wii U.


Who knows, maybe we´ll see a PS4/X1 version.I wouldn´t rule it out.



Rafux on 20 December 2013
Mnementh said:
Rafux said:
Mnementh said:
Rafux said:
Wii can't even handle Dark Soul's start screen.

That would be probably true for a 2D-game. But 3D has taken over the game-industry, because 3D-games scale a lot better. There are a lot of options you can change to change the needed computing power: change the render-resolution, reduce the number of polygons, add or remove effects, reduce the resolution of textures, change the viewing-depth and so on. All of that can be done mostly automatic or with low manpower. That's why we see COD, Assassins Creed, Watchdogs and others on PS3, X360, WiiU, XO and PS4. So why no Wii or WiiU-version of Dark Souls? The simple answer is: the team most likely had no devkit and no Know-How in developing for Nintendo-consoles and the expected sales were to low for them to get both.


Scale or not it would be such a different experience on the original Wii that is not worth the trouble just look at Dead Rising Wii which had like 6 zombies per room.

I only countered your claim, that it would've been impossible. Possible yes. Visually downgraded: sure. Gameplay intact: possible. Makes sense in the market: probably not, and that's why it didn't happened.


"Gameplay intact: possible"

Again just watch Dead Rising Wii, the experience would be so different its not worth anyones time. Is not just the audience, Dark Souls Wii would have never been possible.

Resident Evil 4 had a huge audience in PS2 and the power gap between Gamecube and PS2 wasn't that big so it made perfect sense for Capcom to make the port and even then RE4 PS2 looked obviously downgraded I can't imaging how would Demon/Dark Souls would look in the original Wii. Capcom greedy as they are would have made a Resident Evil 5 port to Wii if they could since theres still an audicence for RE games on Nintendo consoles.



SubiyaCryolite on 20 December 2013
Mnementh said:
curl-6 said:
As a Wii U owner, I certainly don't care for cheap deaths and tedious repetition.

As a WiiU-owner, I certainly do care for cheap deaths (ZombiU) and tedious repitition (Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate).


Nice, two can play that game.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 20 December 2013
Aielyn said:
Soundwave said:
Ah yes, the old "only Nintendo fans know a quality game! Keep your third party game! I didn't want it anyway!" line of reasoning. Been seeing that card played once and awhile for about 15 years now.

If you're referring to my post... that wasn't what I said. I said that the audience doesn't tolerate lower quality, on the whole, and that third parties that complain about their sales on Nintendo systems are almost always the same third parties that put out inferior products on Nintendo consoles. Meanwhile, when third parties put in the effort and make quality games on Nintendo systems, they typically get stronger sales as a result, compared with sales on other platforms, as described at the start of my post.

Examples of third party franchises getting strong results on Nintendo platforms include Resident Evil, LEGO Star Wars, Monster Hunter, Sonic, Tiger Woods PGA Tour, SoulCalibur, and Dragon Quest, to name a few. What I'm saying is, you bring the quality to a Nintendo platform, and you'll get the sales. The third parties that complain about Nintendo console owners only buying Nintendo games are the same ones that don't bring quality games to Nintendo consoles. You never hear Ubisoft Montpellier complain about Nintendo console owners only buying Nintendo games. You don't hear Sega complaining about it. You don't hear Warner Bros complaining about it.

It's not "only Nintendo fans know a quality game", it's "Nintendo fans are spoiled for choice in terms of quality games, thanks to Nintendo, so why would they bother buying your crappy game?"


No. Nintendo fans aren't spoiled. Third parties jumped to ship to Sony and later Microsoft. Nintendo never fought to keep third parties either because Nintendo had a rocky relationship with them even when they were on top. Essentially for the last fifteen years Nintendo fans have become accustomed to not playing third party titles on Nintendo. When third party left to Sony after the SNES era the third party gamers jumped ship and Sony increased that share twice as large and then some from the PSX to the PS2. Nintendo doesn't think about whats good for their fans, they think about whats good for specific their demographics. This is why the Wii opened up a new market instead and played anti-social powerwise with the traditional gaming community. Even Microsoft gave the people what they were screaming for with Killer Instinct. Shows that when they have to they will take a hint. Nintendo is known as one of the most talented and creative companies but also the most stubborn.



dahuman on 20 December 2013

I don't care about Dark Souls because they released a shitty port on PC and the console version has shitty frame rates even worse than the PC problems. Fool me once with Demon Souls, shame on me, and I have no punch lines with that one. It really is a lesser Monster Hunter with corridors if you think about it. I'd rather get right to the bosses.



S.T.A.G.E. on 20 December 2013
dahuman said:
I don't care about Dark Souls because they released a shitty port on PC and the console version has shitty frame rates even worse than the PC problems. Fool me once with Demon Souls, shame on me, and I have no punch lines with that one. It really is a lesser Monster Hunter with corridors if you think about it. I'd rather get right to the bosses.

Uh....Dark Souls is much harder than Monster Hunter.



dahuman on 20 December 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
dahuman said:
I don't care about Dark Souls because they released a shitty port on PC and the console version has shitty frame rates even worse than the PC problems. Fool me once with Demon Souls, shame on me, and I have no punch lines with that one. It really is a lesser Monster Hunter with corridors if you think about it. I'd rather get right to the bosses.

Uh....Dark Souls is much harder than Monster Hunter.


Not once did I mention difficulty though -_^b



dharh on 20 December 2013

Dark Souls on the Wii would have been a travesty of a game. The original hardness of it would have had to be dumb down to account for the motion controls. This video explains quite a bit about how hard it is to make a good game with motion controls, even on the Wii with its massive install base: http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1013663/Chilling-Tales-from-Red-Steel. It would have sold less than Red Steel.



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