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Forums - Nintendo - To Wii U "Haters": Why Do You Think Wii U Will Sell On The Same Level Or Worse Than GameCube?

fatslob-:O on 17 December 2013
Nintentacle said:

Yes, but you still predicted a higher drop.

You choose: For every month the official numbers are closer to the prediction, the person who's number was closer... 

Can't choose sig control because I don't have one, and have no clue how to get one, and everyone uses it.

At this point you guys are just fighting for the 1K's LOL. I don't think this bet is worthwhile. 



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Soundwave on 17 December 2013
Locknuts said:
I can't understand why the GC never sold that well. If GTA was on the cube I probably never would have even bothered with the PS2. The GC and PC had all the other games I wanted.


They did some good things with the GameCube, unfortunately they also undermined every good move they made by making an equally stupid bad move. 

It's like a tennis player that plays a better game than before but still loses the match on unforced errors. 

The strengths of the N64 were that everyone pretty much loved Mario 64, Zelda: OoT, Mario Kart 64, and GoldenEye. On the GameCube they turned this into a weakness. 

On the GameCube, Nintendo decided for whatever bizarre reason to radically alter what people liked about those games, sell off Rare, and in GoldenEye's place we got Metroid Prime, which while critically well recieved had none of the things that made GoldenEye really that popular -- fun, action oriented single player and especially that competetive multiplayer deathmatch. 

They did a great job in getting Resident Evil exclusivity ... then opt to make the system look like a kids console (purple lunchbox). A lot of the decisions simply didn't make sense. 

If GCN had Mario 64-2, Zelda: Twilight Princess, Mario Kart 64-2, and a GoldenEye/Perfect Dark equivalent early on in the lifespan on top of Resident Evil and Metroid Prime, and a more straight forward console design (grey or black plz) it would've sold a lot better IMO. It also probably should've launched sooner too, giving Sony that big of a headstart was a poor idea. 



drake4 on 17 December 2013
Nintentacle said:

December: 360k

January: 42k

February: 45k

March: 39k


basically your predictions numbers tell us the console won't even reach gamecube numbers.



zorg1000 on 17 December 2013
Nintentacle said:
Soundwave said:
Nintentacle said:
Soundwave said:
Nintentacle said:
Soundwave said:
Yeah certainly I expect a pretty ugly collapse for Wii U sales from Jan-March this year even with DKC.

Probably like 30k for Jan, 35k for Feb, and 30k for March for the US market.

I can see some logic in Wii U selling GameCube level, even if I think it'll do better. But this is either a sad excuse for trolling, or an unlogical prediction. 


I'm tired of Wii U apologists saying stuff like with nothing to back them up. You guys have been dead wrong *all year long*, talked a big game all year long about how this fall was going to change everything, and labelled anyone a troll for making predictions that in many cases actually were higher than what the actual numbers turned out to be.

Some humilty is in order, IMO. There's nothing unreasonable about my predictions. 

Let's make a bet.


Why don't you make an actual prediction with actual numbers of your own so it can be on record for everyone to see? I'd venture a bet that if you were asked to predict Wii U sales every month from day 1, every month you would list them to be considerably higher than what they actually turn out to be. 

When you have to make actual predictions based on numbers that when reality sets in a little bit because you have to actually look at what the data is telling you. 

Nov - 220k (confirmed); 280-290k was my prediction. 

Dec - 380k 

Jan - 30k

Feb - 30-38k

Mar - 35k

Would be my predictions, barring an unforseen change like a price drop before April. 

December: 360k

January: 42k

February: 45k

March: 39k

Are u fucking kidding me? U called him a troll because he thinks Q1 USA sales will be about 100k yet u think it will be 125k



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Nintentacle on 17 December 2013
drake4 said:
Nintentacle said:

December: 360k

January: 42k

February: 45k

March: 39k


basically your predictions numbers tell us the console won't even reach gamecube numbers.

It doesn't. Those predictions are assuming Mario Kart 8 isn't released in the very beginning of Spring. I expect Wii U to start picking up when Mario Kart 8 comes out.



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superhippy420 on 17 December 2013
zorg1000 said:
Nintentacle said:
Soundwave said:
Nintentacle said:
Soundwave said:
Nintentacle said:
Soundwave said:
Yeah certainly I expect a pretty ugly collapse for Wii U sales from Jan-March this year even with DKC.

Probably like 30k for Jan, 35k for Feb, and 30k for March for the US market.

I can see some logic in Wii U selling GameCube level, even if I think it'll do better. But this is either a sad excuse for trolling, or an unlogical prediction. 


I'm tired of Wii U apologists saying stuff like with nothing to back them up. You guys have been dead wrong *all year long*, talked a big game all year long about how this fall was going to change everything, and labelled anyone a troll for making predictions that in many cases actually were higher than what the actual numbers turned out to be.

Some humilty is in order, IMO. There's nothing unreasonable about my predictions. 

Let's make a bet.


Why don't you make an actual prediction with actual numbers of your own so it can be on record for everyone to see? I'd venture a bet that if you were asked to predict Wii U sales every month from day 1, every month you would list them to be considerably higher than what they actually turn out to be. 

When you have to make actual predictions based on numbers that when reality sets in a little bit because you have to actually look at what the data is telling you. 

Nov - 220k (confirmed); 280-290k was my prediction. 

Dec - 380k 

Jan - 30k

Feb - 30-38k

Mar - 35k

Would be my predictions, barring an unforseen change like a price drop before April. 

December: 360k

January: 42k

February: 45k

March: 39k

Are u fucking kidding me? U called him a troll because he thinks Q1 USA sales will be about 100k yet u think it will be 125k


The January numbers you guys have will be pretty close but everyone is underestimating how big of a franchise Donkey Kong is.  DKCR sold 6 million and the 3DS one is almost at 1 million, and its just a 3D port.  Sales in March will be higher too due to Mario Kart launching a month later, and people getting bored with their PS4 and Xbones.  I already have read a handfull of posts from people regretting buying the new consoles because they dont have much to offer in terms of games, just wait and see what happens when there will be nothing to play for months and the Wii U will be the only console with a decent library and new games actually coming out.



Nintentacle on 17 December 2013
superhippy420 said:
zorg1000 said:
Nintentacle said:
Soundwave said:
Nintentacle said:
Soundwave said:
Nintentacle said:
Soundwave said:
Yeah certainly I expect a pretty ugly collapse for Wii U sales from Jan-March this year even with DKC.

Probably like 30k for Jan, 35k for Feb, and 30k for March for the US market.

I can see some logic in Wii U selling GameCube level, even if I think it'll do better. But this is either a sad excuse for trolling, or an unlogical prediction. 


I'm tired of Wii U apologists saying stuff like with nothing to back them up. You guys have been dead wrong *all year long*, talked a big game all year long about how this fall was going to change everything, and labelled anyone a troll for making predictions that in many cases actually were higher than what the actual numbers turned out to be.

Some humilty is in order, IMO. There's nothing unreasonable about my predictions. 

Let's make a bet.


Why don't you make an actual prediction with actual numbers of your own so it can be on record for everyone to see? I'd venture a bet that if you were asked to predict Wii U sales every month from day 1, every month you would list them to be considerably higher than what they actually turn out to be. 

When you have to make actual predictions based on numbers that when reality sets in a little bit because you have to actually look at what the data is telling you. 

Nov - 220k (confirmed); 280-290k was my prediction. 

Dec - 380k 

Jan - 30k

Feb - 30-38k

Mar - 35k

Would be my predictions, barring an unforseen change like a price drop before April. 

December: 360k

January: 42k

February: 45k

March: 39k

Are u fucking kidding me? U called him a troll because he thinks Q1 USA sales will be about 100k yet u think it will be 125k


The January numbers you guys have will be pretty close but everyone is underestimating how big of a franchise Donkey Kong is.  DKCR sold 6 million and the 3DS one is almost at 1 million, and its just a 3D port.  Sales in March will be higher too due to Mario Kart launching a month later, and people getting bored with their PS4 and Xbones.  I already have read a handfull of posts from people regretting buying the new consoles because they dont have much to offer in terms of games, just wait and see what happens when there will be nothing to play for months and the Wii U will be the only console with a decent library and new games actually coming out.

What are you predicting for December, January, February, and March? Also, Mario Kart isn't confirmed for april.



Soundwave on 17 December 2013

My suspicion is that Nintendo will hit the panic button with Mario Kart 8 and make their "do or die" stand with the console there.

Drop the Game pad (probably about a $60-$70 savings) as a standard and take another $40-$50 reduction in price ... $199.99 Wii U alongside Mario Kart 8.

I honestly don't think they have much choice left.

Smash Bros. isn't going to salvage the system where 2D Mario and 3D Mario and Mario Kart have all failed and Zelda sure as heck isn't either. It's Mario Kart or bust now.



zorg1000 on 17 December 2013
superhippy420 said:
zorg1000 said:
Nintentacle said:
Soundwave said:
Nintentacle said:
Soundwave said:
Nintentacle said:
Soundwave said:
Yeah certainly I expect a pretty ugly collapse for Wii U sales from Jan-March this year even with DKC.

Probably like 30k for Jan, 35k for Feb, and 30k for March for the US market.

I can see some logic in Wii U selling GameCube level, even if I think it'll do better. But this is either a sad excuse for trolling, or an unlogical prediction. 


I'm tired of Wii U apologists saying stuff like with nothing to back them up. You guys have been dead wrong *all year long*, talked a big game all year long about how this fall was going to change everything, and labelled anyone a troll for making predictions that in many cases actually were higher than what the actual numbers turned out to be.

Some humilty is in order, IMO. There's nothing unreasonable about my predictions. 

Let's make a bet.


Why don't you make an actual prediction with actual numbers of your own so it can be on record for everyone to see? I'd venture a bet that if you were asked to predict Wii U sales every month from day 1, every month you would list them to be considerably higher than what they actually turn out to be. 

When you have to make actual predictions based on numbers that when reality sets in a little bit because you have to actually look at what the data is telling you. 

Nov - 220k (confirmed); 280-290k was my prediction. 

Dec - 380k 

Jan - 30k

Feb - 30-38k

Mar - 35k

Would be my predictions, barring an unforseen change like a price drop before April. 

December: 360k

January: 42k

February: 45k

March: 39k

Are u fucking kidding me? U called him a troll because he thinks Q1 USA sales will be about 100k yet u think it will be 125k


The January numbers you guys have will be pretty close but everyone is underestimating how big of a franchise Donkey Kong is.  DKCR sold 6 million and the 3DS one is almost at 1 million, and its just a 3D port.  Sales in March will be higher too due to Mario Kart launching a month later, and people getting bored with their PS4 and Xbones.  I already have read a handfull of posts from people regretting buying the new consoles because they dont have much to offer in terms of games, just wait and see what happens when there will be nothing to play for months and the Wii U will be the only console with a decent library and new games actually coming out.

Not sure why u quoted me, those arent my numbers. I was just calling him out for calling the other guy a troll despite having similar numbers.



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forethought14 on 17 December 2013
Soundwave said:


I would guessed that too, except the release schedule has picked up nicely since last August. 

Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, Splinter Cell: Blacklist, Sonic: Lost World, Wii Party U, Zelda: Wind Waker HD, Batman, ACIV, Wii Sports Club, Wii Fit U, Super Mario 3D World, Mario & Sonic Sochi Olympics, Just Dance 2014, plus a $50 price drop and new NSMBU + Skylanders hardware bundles.

And sales really are not showing any real uptick. October and November sales were horrible. 

Most of those games aren't games that people would buy a console for. 3rd Party games wouldn't normally sell Wii Us, nobody aside from Sonic fans care about Sonic, hardly anyone aside from Nintendo fans care about Pikmin, Just Dance is cheaper on Wii than other consoles, very little aamount of people would buy a Wii U for an HD remake, people don't even know that Wii Sports Club exists, Wii Fit U doesn''t have that marketting the original had, nobody cares about Mario & Soinc right now, like the majority of Nintendo fans could care less about W101.....

My point was, Wii U doesn't have a "must buy" lineup, I guess except for maybe SM3DW, but even that's not what Wii U needed right now. Compare to GCN's library at the same timeframe, and it's hardly a contest. I'd bet that if Wii U had similar library content that GCN had, it wouldn't be doing this badly (probably would be doing better). Plus, the advertising campaign for Wii U has been pretty terrible, adding to the terrible sales.