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They make tons of money on Spiderman movies too, but besides that. Sony knew they would be losing money on every PS3 sold at the time of launch. Its opening price was $600, and even at that price they were losing $200 on each sale. It took some years until it made profit on each sale.



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Nintentacle said:
LivingMetal said:
Nintentacle said:
KingdomHeartsFan said:

When the PS3 launched they had everything against them and still managed to turn it around, now with the PS4 they have everything going for them there is almost no way for them not to do good this gen.

Even if PS4 is the fastest selling console in history, it doesn't make sense to ingore how financially unsuccessful the PS3 was and pretend it was a huge financial success because it sold 80 million. I can understand why the "journalist" do it though. Since It's mostly used in negative Nintendo articles, Nintendo fanboys will keep going back to the website to see if they put up more negative Nintendo articles. It's sort of like what YouTube trolls do to get views.


And how does it benefit any consumers to woe over the financial mishaps of the PS3?

It doesn't. 80 million consoles sold is a very good number, but It's pretty sad when 80 million sold doesn't make a profit. Basically, PS3 was a huge success with everything except profit.


And because of the PS3's success that lead them to what is more commonly referred to as the "PS4."



Nintentacle said:
KingdomHeartsFan said:

When the PS3 launched they had everything against them and still managed to turn it around, now with the PS4 they have everything going for them there is almost no way for them not to do good this gen.

Even if PS4 is the fastest selling console in history, it doesn't make sense to ingore how financially unsuccessful the PS3 was and pretend it was a huge financial success because it sold 80 million. I can understand why the "journalist" do it though. Since It's mostly used in negative Nintendo articles, Nintendo fanboys will keep going back to the website to see if they put up more negative Nintendo articles. It's sort of like what YouTube trolls do to get views.

Who 'pretends' the PS3 was a great 'financial' success?  I think the reality is,  Sony will probably come close to breaking 'even' with the PS3 when it's all said and done. Which given where it began -- is a huge win for the company and the future of them within the console business. It's still selling well and a healthy amount of it's big selling titles we're Sony published games.  The console business isn't about the short term game,  it's about the long game.

Sony has the resources to downsize tremendously and still maintain profitable divisions (like the gaming division).  Nintendo is soley reliant upon gaming.  They simply have diverse businesses. A bad console / bad handheld launch back to back could really hurt their future.  

Imagine the scenario that Nintendo was in not too long ago.  N64 (One of my favorite consoles - but poor in sales) -- Followed up with Gamecube (One of my least favorite Nintendo consoles) -- If the Wii had been a failure (Which they were fortunate based on the tremendous pricing difference of the HD gen consoles and fad catching motion controls).  Nintendo would be in potentially some dire straights.   The Wii was good in my opinion because it keeps Nintendo around as a console manufacturer for a few more generations regardless.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
Nintentacle said:

Whenever I see articles about how the Wii U is doomed, lots of the writers talk about Sony like they never loose money and are perfect. It's like they're completely ignoring how much money the PS3 lost. Does anyone here know why people do this?


The PS3 lost a lot of money early on but Sony also profits off of Blu Ray and they turned profit on the PS3 three years ago. The PS3 has been pure profit since then.

Being that Microsoft tried to kill off Blu Ray and are not using it and Nintendo refused to use any format Sony backs and both in the end turned out conforming shows Sony's success through risk.

sony is just one of the many founding partners of blu-ray.

considering that rights-to-use fees aren't that much to begin with when licensing, it amounts to even less when it's all split up.  



LivingMetal said:
We all know that Sony has financial problems. But as a gamer am I to assume that their games and consoles suck just because they are not financially stable?

This. We're not ignoring it, we just dont care. Why should I? SOny is still delivering the goods, something you cant say so much for Nintendo (judging by sales and game support that is, but still IMO) 3ds is fine. Wii is pretty much done, Wii U is having a hell of a time 3ds is good. PS4 is on fire, PS3 is STILL getting supported, Vita getting slammed. 



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KingdomHeartsFan said:

When the PS3 launched they had everything against them and still managed to turn it around, now with the PS4 they have everything going for them there is almost no way for them not to do good this gen.


They never made that money back from the gaming division.



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Nintentacle said:
LivingMetal said:
Nintentacle said:
KingdomHeartsFan said:

When the PS3 launched they had everything against them and still managed to turn it around, now with the PS4 they have everything going for them there is almost no way for them not to do good this gen.

Even if PS4 is the fastest selling console in history, it doesn't make sense to ingore how financially unsuccessful the PS3 was and pretend it was a huge financial success because it sold 80 million. I can understand why the "journalist" do it though. Since It's mostly used in negative Nintendo articles, Nintendo fanboys will keep going back to the website to see if they put up more negative Nintendo articles. It's sort of like what YouTube trolls do to get views.


And how does it benefit any consumers to woe over the financial mishaps of the PS3?

It doesn't. 80 million consoles sold is a very good number, but It's pretty sad when 80 million sold doesn't make a profit. Basically, PS3 was a huge success with everything except profit.

ok...so what? what does that have to do with the support PS3 got and is still getting? I mean isnt that what is REALLY important? the games? Hell Wii made alot of profit and the last thing they put was JD2014



roborad said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Nintentacle said:

Whenever I see articles about how the Wii U is doomed, lots of the writers talk about Sony like they never loose money and are perfect. It's like they're completely ignoring how much money the PS3 lost. Does anyone here know why people do this?


The PS3 lost a lot of money early on but Sony also profits off of Blu Ray and they turned profit on the PS3 three years ago. The PS3 has been pure profit since then.

Being that Microsoft tried to kill off Blu Ray and are not using it and Nintendo refused to use any format Sony backs and both in the end turned out conforming shows Sony's success through risk.

sony is just one of the many founding partners of blu-ray.

considering that rights-to-use fees aren't that much to begin with when licensing, it amounts to even less when it's all split up.  

I know this. Doesn't change the fact that what I am saying is still correct. Microsoft did try to kill Blu Ray and Nintendo stayed away from DVD because they didn't want to conform to a format Sony was backing so they hired panasonic to make them a mini-disc and later another disc that held half the capacity of a DVD disc. Sony has always been pushing formats and influencing outside markets. Regardless of how many people there are backing Blu Ray its Sony taking the fall and reaping the benefits in the end by name value because its because of them why Samsung, Toshiba and numerous other members of the Blu Ray Association can enjoy giving consumers comfortable prices. 80 million Blu Rays sold via PS3 alone compared to when it launched and Blu Rays were more than $600? When the PS3 launched it was the cheapest Blu Ray player on the market. Remember that.



Because Nintendo is only about games for the most part. So when their brand takes a hit, it takes a big hit. When SCEA brand takes a hit Sony Corp. is largely unaffected. The Playstation brand is probably still going strong but the Sony brand is taking a hit. Same thing with MS, except even less so as MS does not rely on their Xbox division very much.



oniyide said:
LivingMetal said:
We all know that Sony has financial problems. But as a gamer am I to assume that their games and consoles suck just because they are not financially stable?

This. We're not ignoring it, we just dont care. Why should I? SOny is still delivering the goods, something you cant say so much for Nintendo (judging by sales and game support that is, but still IMO) 3ds is fine. Wii is pretty much done, Wii U is having a hell of a time 3ds is good. PS4 is on fire, PS3 is STILL getting supported, Vita getting slammed. 


How do judge good games by sales? Are you saying ps4 first party is better than dreamcast?  Sony sure are giving instant classics like knack and killzone. Both which are under pikmin on the metacritic. I'm starting to think Sony fans are more interesting in Sony winning console wars than producing actual great games. 



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