Just because the WII is a phenomena among the gaming industry does not mean you can count it's success out. BTW if you think the way for nintendo to prosper is through gamecube or n64 they had much better 3rd party support compared to the WII and much more modern hardware and guess what? They both failed miserably in getting a relevant marketshare so these clearly isn't the console path to go towards.

If you want to know the real reason as to why the wii sold alot then you have to believe the "software sells hardware" mantra otherwise you will fail to understand why every other console had succeeded before it. Why did the PS1 sell ? Why did the PS2 sell ? Why did the SNES sell ? They had one thing all in common and it's the games whether 1st or 3rd party. The WII U was able to dominate with 1st party games. 

Yes motion controls was one of the reason the WII succeeded but it was NOT motion controls ALONE that propelled the WII it is today. It is the ultra good software that moves hardware. 

No one is trying to replicate it's success in the console space because nintendo keeps going back to making dumb gamecube esque games that nobody wants. Microsoft sure as hell isn't trying because kinect WAS THE ACTUAL FAD. We now know that microsoft truly don't care about the WII audience otherwise it would have sold much better if they gave relevant software to it. 

I'm not realy sure what you guys are arguing about.  Ghosts is behind Black Ops 2 by 11 million, and its most likely going to continue the trend of COD selling about 3 million or so less every year.   GTA V sold really well because Rockstar made people wait, its a really good game, and people were itching to play something.  I have never bought a GTA before and I even picked it up because this years lineup has been pretty lame and was just filled with games that I am sick of playing like Gears, Batman, and Splinter Cell.   A lack of quality no doubt effects sales.  Battlefield 4 is terrible and it has only sold a fraction of what 3 did, and thats with it being only $25 on Black Friday a month after it launched.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on xenoblade then. 

NSMBU would have sold better if nintendo actually gave a damn in putting some effort to making it a GOOD 2D mario like NSMBWII. If anything Super mario 3D land actually proved that 2D marios still sell better. If we compare 3D land to NSMB DS it sold 3x less than NSMB DS. 

If you think I'm from some PS360 base then you need to take a look at my sig.

I'm pretty sure sony fans did the same after that whole PS1 and N64 situation. 

Off-Topic: You do agree with me that SALES = QUALITY, right ? 

Every console that has made the 100 million club has had its X-Factor

Gameboy - 1st portable and most revolutionary thing at the time

PS2 - DVD Player that could play games, that was cheaper than a DVD player

Wii - Motion Controls

PS1 - Lineup that actually outdid Nintendo's / much cheaper price for games and systems.

DS - 1st mainstream technology with a touch screen : paved the way for the smartphone/tablet era in technology.

That being said I don't think the PS4,Wii U, or Xbone will even get close to 100 million.  The most innovative one is the Wii U, its really just a home console that uses the DS's strengths.   Xbone and PS4 are just graphic upgrades with remodeled controllers (GBA,SNES,N64,GC,PS3,Saturn,Dreamcast) they end up selling less then their previous consoles.   All 3 launches were great but thats just each companies core fanbase, who would buy the console no matter what.

Unfortunately I think none of the launch line ups seem good to my eyes.

The most innovative one may be the WII U but when you start putting one gamecube esque games that nobody wants then we have a serious issue here. 

Actually I think the PS4 may have the best chance to reaching 100 million but the xbone's market gonna have to pay for it. The PS4 can grow at the expense of the share of the X1 just like how 360 grew at the expense of the PS3. 

Yea personally I think they should lay off the 3D and 2D mario games for a little while.   They have cranked out 4 of each in 6 years and I think its to the point where there is comsumer fatigue.  I get why they have done it,  Gamecube was the least Mario focused console ever and it bombed, while Wii and DS were heavy Mario and sold like crazy, but they need to make people hungry for it again.  People are begging for Mario Kart and Smash Bros because it has been so long.  Same went for GTA V when it came out. 

Mario kart is the only franchise that nintendo gives a damn in making it good aside from 3D mario. Nintendo can make people hungry again for mario if they start by cutting the bullshit from 2D mario. I'm sick and tired of nintendo treating it like crap. Have they no shame in rehashing 2D marios but give 3D marios the better treatment. GTA is a good franchise because rockstar truly does care about making it into a good game. It was only until GTA 3 that the franchise got big and started growing the gaming audience.

I thought the Wii U's launch lineup was decent with NSMBU,Nintendo Land, and ZombiU but with 8 months of nothing, it really should'nt be any shock that it sold as poorly as it did for a while.   I just don't see how PS4 is going to do it,  PS3 even had the Blu Ray player factor and it still only reached 80 million (so far). On top of the most recent games in the Infamous, LBP, Resistance, Killzone, God of War, Motorstorm, all sold terribly and the only franchise that anyone seems to care about is Uncharted, and that will wear thin too if they end up making 4,5, and 6.   Its the main reason why the Vita is a colossal failure. Sony thought its franchises were bigger then they were.  Each Uncharted sold 6 million which is great but when you consider that DKCR on Wii sold the same amount but was Nintendo's 15th best seller, thats pretty sad.  I keep telling Sony fans they need to shut up about Nintendo because in terms of software sales they are failing at a more alarming rate then the Wii U, which is even worse because production costs on games like TLOU and Uncharted and so high.

I would'nt go that far but I get the point.  Mario Kart,Zelda,Pokemon,Donkey Kong,Smash Bros,Metroid (sort of), and Kirby all have been getting treated better.  I mention Kirby because I thought that Return to Dreamland was one of the most underated games last gen by far, and it was clear the reviewers only played the first 2 or 3 worlds, because by the end it was as good as any DK or Mario.   I actuallly liked NSMBU alot more then NSMB2 to be honest.  I thought the whole "get a million coins" things was just a lazy thing for Nintendo to do. No duh, he gets coins.  The Wii U one, although really similar to the others did have some solid graphics and the Luigi DLC was the best thing since the Wii version, to me atleast.  They need to retire it for a while and come up with some new ideas because they are clearly tapped out at this point, in terms of 2D Mario.  3D World blew my mind because I was expecting a rehash and instead got a freaking brilliant platformer that somehow rivals the Galaxy games.