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Xenostar on 11 December 2013
Acevil said:
Xenostar said:
there are measuring it in horizontal now rather than vertical, and it is proper 4k on a projector it is slightly under on TV units. But it is 4x the amount of pixels, so i think its fine to call it 4k


But isn't it 4x the amount that is offered by 2k. So really it is just clever marketing nothing else. 


Yes it is marketing nothing more. 

But saying 2k makes it sound like it only doubles in size, when its actualy 4x the size, so you can see why they went for 4k



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Zero999 on 11 December 2013

Correct. since the standard resolutions are named after the vertical pixels (480p, 720p, 1080p), calling it 4k is deceiving to the general public because it's 2160p.

2k is a more accurate name.



Acevil on 11 December 2013
Xenostar said:
Acevil said:
Xenostar said:
there are measuring it in horizontal now rather than vertical, and it is proper 4k on a projector it is slightly under on TV units. But it is 4x the amount of pixels, so i think its fine to call it 4k


But isn't it 4x the amount that is offered by 2k. So really it is just clever marketing nothing else. 


Yes it is marketing nothing more. 

But saying 2k makes it sound like it only doubles in size, when its actualy 4x the size, so you can see why they went for 4k

No I meant that just above 1080p is 2k (Which isn't 2x the pixel) and that 2K X 4 = 4K (Not exact I think)



 

Netyaroze on 11 December 2013
Acevil said:
Xenostar said:
there are measuring it in horizontal now rather than vertical, and it is proper 4k on a projector it is slightly under on TV units. But it is 4x the amount of pixels, so i think its fine to call it 4k


But isn't it 4x the amount that is offered by 2k. So really it is just clever marketing nothing else. 

4k has 4 times more pixel than 1080p and 1080p has about 2.2 times more pixel than 720p and 720p has roughly 3 times more pixel than 480p.

 

2k is 1080p aka 1980 (2k) x 1080

4k is 2160p aka 3840 (4k) x 2160

Where do you see the clever marketing ? It was like this before 1080p became a marketing term.



kirby007 on 11 December 2013
Netyaroze said:
Acevil said:
Xenostar said:
there are measuring it in horizontal now rather than vertical, and it is proper 4k on a projector it is slightly under on TV units. But it is 4x the amount of pixels, so i think its fine to call it 4k


But isn't it 4x the amount that is offered by 2k. So really it is just clever marketing nothing else. 

4k has 4 times more pixel than 1080p and 1080p has about 2.2 times more pixel than 720p and 720p has roughly 3 times more pixel than 480p.

 

2k is 1080p aka 1980 (2k) x 1080

4k is 2160p aka 3840 (4k) x 2160

Where do you see the clever marketing ? It was like this before 1080p became a marketing term.

before the internet

 

 

 

 

i kid



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Acevil on 11 December 2013
Netyaroze said:
Acevil said:
Xenostar said:
there are measuring it in horizontal now rather than vertical, and it is proper 4k on a projector it is slightly under on TV units. But it is 4x the amount of pixels, so i think its fine to call it 4k


But isn't it 4x the amount that is offered by 2k. So really it is just clever marketing nothing else. 

4k has 4 times more pixel than 1080p and 1080p has about 2.2 times more pixel than 720p and 720p has roughly 3 times more pixel than 480p.

 

2k is 1080p aka 1980 (2k) x 1080

4k is 2160p aka 3840 (4k) x 2160

Where do you see the clever marketing ? It was like this before 1080p became a marketing term.


Well the way I see it marketed is that 4K can be misleading to consumers that learned the vertical way. Cinema people I believe called it 4K for years. I called it UHD.



 

Netyaroze on 11 December 2013
Acevil said:
Netyaroze said:
Acevil said:
Xenostar said:
there are measuring it in horizontal now rather than vertical, and it is proper 4k on a projector it is slightly under on TV units. But it is 4x the amount of pixels, so i think its fine to call it 4k


But isn't it 4x the amount that is offered by 2k. So really it is just clever marketing nothing else. 

4k has 4 times more pixel than 1080p and 1080p has about 2.2 times more pixel than 720p and 720p has roughly 3 times more pixel than 480p.

 

2k is 1080p aka 1980 (2k) x 1080

4k is 2160p aka 3840 (4k) x 2160

Where do you see the clever marketing ? It was like this before 1080p became a marketing term.


Well the way I see it marketed is that 4K can be misleading to consumers that learned the vertical way. Cinema people I believe called it 4K for years. I called it UHD.

A  consumer that has no clue and hears 4k instead of 1080p thinks instantly 4 times better. because 4000 is 4 times more than 1000. And thats actually what he gets 4 times more pixel so he is not being mislead. 



kirby007 on 11 December 2013
Netyaroze said:
Acevil said:
Netyaroze said:
Acevil said:
Xenostar said:
there are measuring it in horizontal now rather than vertical, and it is proper 4k on a projector it is slightly under on TV units. But it is 4x the amount of pixels, so i think its fine to call it 4k


But isn't it 4x the amount that is offered by 2k. So really it is just clever marketing nothing else. 

4k has 4 times more pixel than 1080p and 1080p has about 2.2 times more pixel than 720p and 720p has roughly 3 times more pixel than 480p.

 

2k is 1080p aka 1980 (2k) x 1080

4k is 2160p aka 3840 (4k) x 2160

Where do you see the clever marketing ? It was like this before 1080p became a marketing term.


Well the way I see it marketed is that 4K can be misleading to consumers that learned the vertical way. Cinema people I believe called it 4K for years. I called it UHD.

A  consumer that has no clue and hears 4k instead of 1080p thinks instantly 4 times better. because 4000 is 4 times more than 1000. And thats actually what he gets 4 times more pixel so he is not being mislead. 

so you dont agree that in these times putting down 4k creates the expectation of 4000p?



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Netyaroze on 11 December 2013
kirby007 said:
Netyaroze said:
Acevil said:
Netyaroze said:
Acevil said:
Xenostar said:
there are measuring it in horizontal now rather than vertical, and it is proper 4k on a projector it is slightly under on TV units. But it is 4x the amount of pixels, so i think its fine to call it 4k


But isn't it 4x the amount that is offered by 2k. So really it is just clever marketing nothing else. 

4k has 4 times more pixel than 1080p and 1080p has about 2.2 times more pixel than 720p and 720p has roughly 3 times more pixel than 480p.

 

2k is 1080p aka 1980 (2k) x 1080

4k is 2160p aka 3840 (4k) x 2160

Where do you see the clever marketing ? It was like this before 1080p became a marketing term.


Well the way I see it marketed is that 4K can be misleading to consumers that learned the vertical way. Cinema people I believe called it 4K for years. I called it UHD.

A  consumer that has no clue and hears 4k instead of 1080p thinks instantly 4 times better. because 4000 is 4 times more than 1000. And thats actually what he gets 4 times more pixel so he is not being mislead. 

so you dont agree that in these times putting down 4k creates the expectation of 4000p?

People who get confused by this change have no idea whats going on anyway. 4320p is an absurdly high resolution there are no standards out there to support this yet no cables no screens no movies. 4k is 4 times the pixel thats what the general customer needs to know, 4320p is 16 times the pixel of 1080p people who think 4k stands for 4320p only expect 4320p to be 4 times more than 1080p which is what they actually get, nobody expects a 16 times resolution increase. Or did you think 4k is 16 times more pixel than 1080p ?



kirby007 on 11 December 2013
Netyaroze said:
kirby007 said:
Netyaroze said:
Acevil said:
Netyaroze said:
Acevil said:
Xenostar said:
there are measuring it in horizontal now rather than vertical, and it is proper 4k on a projector it is slightly under on TV units. But it is 4x the amount of pixels, so i think its fine to call it 4k


But isn't it 4x the amount that is offered by 2k. So really it is just clever marketing nothing else. 

4k has 4 times more pixel than 1080p and 1080p has about 2.2 times more pixel than 720p and 720p has roughly 3 times more pixel than 480p.

 

2k is 1080p aka 1980 (2k) x 1080

4k is 2160p aka 3840 (4k) x 2160

Where do you see the clever marketing ? It was like this before 1080p became a marketing term.


Well the way I see it marketed is that 4K can be misleading to consumers that learned the vertical way. Cinema people I believe called it 4K for years. I called it UHD.

A  consumer that has no clue and hears 4k instead of 1080p thinks instantly 4 times better. because 4000 is 4 times more than 1000. And thats actually what he gets 4 times more pixel so he is not being mislead. 

so you dont agree that in these times putting down 4k creates the expectation of 4000p?

People who get confused by this change have no idea whats going on anyway. 4320p is an absurdly high resolution there are no standards out there to support this yet no cables no screens no movies. 4k is 4 times the pixel thats what the general customer needs to know, 4320p is 16 times the pixel of 1080p people who think 4k stands for 4320p only expect 4320p to be 4 times more than 1080p which is what they actually get, nobody expects a 16 times resolution increase. Or did you think 4k is 16 times more pixel than 1080p ?

for the pricing, i honestly expected that



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