JoeTheBro said:
What does that have to do with the discussion? No tablet in 2017 for $250 is going to produce comparable graphics to the PS4 or XBONE. |
the gap isnt that big souldnt be a problem for tabs,or even smartphones, the price is a bigger problem,most cheap tabs are still overpriced...
some 250$ tabs will top the ps4, some wont.
generic-user-1 said:
some 250$ tabs will top the ps4, some wont. |
LOL, not in the next 5-6 years.
Tablets will start to get into PS3/Wii U levels of performance in the next 2-3 years comfortably, but PS4? Not a chance in hell.
| Shadow1980 said: Nintendo isn't in the place to make another big risk. Sure, high risk can translate into high reward if it pays off. "If" being the operative word. The Wii had the right combination of price, games, and marketing to make it a sales juggernaut, plus unlike the GameCube it wasn't facing down a steamroller. Meanwhile, the Wii U, though it was still inexpensive (adjusted for inflation, anyway) and was first to market (which is usually very advantageous), was lacking in both games and marketing. Without all the key ingredients for success in place, it faltered after the end of its debut holiday. Nintendo had gotten comfortable with relying almost entirely on its first-party output to sell systems, and when those games failed to materialize, it suffered perhaps the biggest loss in sales momentum of any major system ever. Instead of trying to go the Wii route of "less powerful but less expensive and with an innovative controller" a third time, they should play it safe and go back to the pre-Wii days of having a system that can match its competitors in terms of horsepower. It should be as powerful as they can make it without having to take a huge loss on a $400 MSRP (which by 2018-19 will make it roughly on par with the Wii U Deluxe's launch price, assuming inflation remains constant). If it's sufficiently powerful, it could bring back all the major third-party devs and all their big titles. At the very least, they can regard those titles as an insurance policy should they end up being unprepared on the first-party front like they were with the Wii U. Considering that their next system will likely release a year or two before the PS5 and Xbox 3, having a good selection of third-party games will buffer any gaps between first-party titles and help maintain sales and build momentum. It worked with the 360, after all. Will such a system be innovative? Not really, but not everything needs to be innovative. Save the innovation for the games and don't take any big gambles with hardware unless you're in a position to do so, and Nintendo isn't in the position to take any big risks. If they try risky and innovative again and it doesn't pay off, then they'll yet again have to settle for third place. But if they tried something safe for the hardware, their brand alone, combined with solid third-party support, it could greatly expand their market share (Mario and GTA on the same console = Nintendomination). It might not set the world on fire, but it will sell. People will buy Nintendo systems if they have a good selection of games released at a steady pace. |
2018-19? That's way too far off. Launching against Sony/MS would be suicide for Nintendo in that scenario, they need a 2 year headstart minimum (judging from this generation).
A 4TFLOP GPU should be easy enough to put into a console casing and be sold for sub $400 by 2015/2016 anyway.
The Wii U is actually more expensive of a chip because Nintendo insisted on such a low power draw for the chip and an exotic hardware design (super small casing). If they used a more off-the-shelf solution, they could have gotten something much more powerful for not a whole lot more money. It's exactly what Sony did with the PS4.
The Gamepad will be the handheld next generation, merging game development between systems when a game benefits it (solving droughts). Some series don't require much hardware and should aim for the lowest common denominator of both systems. Every title will only be sold digitally.
Soundwave said:
LOL, not in the next 5-6 years. Tablets will start to get into PS3/Wii U levels of performance in the next 2-3 years comfortably, but PS4? Not a chance in hell. |
u sure? they look like the most ps3 games, not like the top 5% but not worse than the older ps3 games
I'm between this
| Einsam_Delphin said: I think Nintendo will try one of two options for their next home console. 1.) One last attempt to gain third party favor. The system will be on par with Xbox2/PS5 in terms of graphics, online infastructure, everything. The hardware will be focused as much as possible on being easy to develop for. 2.) They accept their niche status in the home console market. Their next system will only be slighty more powerful than Wii U, but it will launch at $200. Most of their resources will then go towards expanding and creating more development teams, so that they can fully support their system without the need of 3rd partys. |
And this
| Pillow said: - Games will use cartridge or any alternative that can hold lots of data while still being small. They will be inserted in the handheld. - The ''box'' which will let you play your games on the TV simply acts as a signal converter between the handheld and TV. With no input lag using Wii U's technology. -The handheld will be able to produce Wii U-like graphics on its small HD screen (720p), and 1080p when being streamed through the box, to the TV. The handheld will also act as a controller, and playing on the TV will add some features (like in Windwaker HD for instance), but games will not focus on dual screen gameplay. -All Nintendo developers will now only have to focus on 1 platform, thus, we might not have any game drought. And no need to buy 2 gaming devices. -Price point could be 300$ or 250$, we're talking about Wii U graphic capabilities but scaled down to fit the handheld (Vita size or smaller). -You can use your Wii U gamepad for local multiplayer games, or the pro controller. Wii remote compatibility might be removed. -Most likely no backward compatibility with games. -No more 3D screen, Nintendo knows most people don't care about it (I think). -Back to the GBA design, meaning only 1 screen, but with more buttons (Wii U gamepad with smaller screen, and two 3DS circle pad) -No more Wii name or DS name. Something like Nintendo Revolution or simply ''Nintendo''. -4G for online multiplayer on the go. -Uses Nintendo Network account, which will let you download all the VC games of your Wii U/3DS. -Release it with 3 big 1st party title day 1 for maximum market penetration. |
Which basically mean the same thing: Nintendo needs to realize they can only rely on themselves.
Third party publishers don't care about Nintendo users (their games have lower attach rate on Nintendo consoles than the others) and the owners of Nintendo consoles are so used to have little to no support from third parties that they we buy their consoles for Nintendo games, not for third party games. Therefore, what Nintendo needs to do is stopping the third party chimera and develop and launch a console/handeld/hybrid/whatever they want, designed only and exclusively with their own needs in mind and that is profitable from day one.
If that means going niche, so be it. The handheld market is also becoming a niche market and they have already sold 40 million consoles, so it's not that bad. And about third parties... well, if they want to come then they'll be welcomed and if they don't, good luck to them.
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I think their next system will be about double the PS4 in power and have heavy integration with the 3DS successor and/or a possible Nintendo/Android tablet. The controller may continue to have a touch screen like the Wii U, but I suspect moreso it will use the Next-gen handheld as an optional interface like Wii U uses the Gamepad. I think we'll see it in 4 or 5 years, depending on Wii U success.
no drm, that will be most important in the future, ps5 and xboxrevolution will have shit loads of it.
| TheLastStarFighter said: I think their next system will be about double the PS4 in power and have heavy integration with the 3DS successor and/or a possible Nintendo/Android tablet. The controller may continue to have a touch screen like the Wii U, but I suspect moreso it will use the Next-gen handheld as an optional interface like Wii U uses the Gamepad. I think we'll see it in 4 or 5 years, depending on Wii U success. |
They may as well not even bother with this if that's the case. In 4 or 5 years Sony will already be readying the PS5 which will almost assuredly blow something "only 2x a PS4" right out of the water. The tablet pad concept is a dud of an idea today, I don't see that changing any time soon.
Nintendo's got to have a 2 year headstart IMO. 1 year as we've seen with Wii U simply does not cut it, Nintendo is too slow in building momenteum.
Two year headstart even if they are incompetent should ensure a head start of 10 million minimum. Wii U is going to run out of gas by 2016 at this rate anyway.
Soundwave said:
They may as well not even bother with this if that's the case. In 4 or 5 years Sony will already be readying the PS5 which will almost assuredly blow something "only 2x a PS4" right out of the water. The tablet pad concept is a dud of an idea today, I don't see that changing any time soon. Nintendo's got to have a 2 year headstart IMO. 1 year as we've seen with Wii U simply does not cut it, Nintendo is too slow in building momenteum. Two year headstart even if they are incompetent should ensure a head start of 10 million minimum. |
No, PS4 just launched. PS5 won't be likely for 6-7 years. So 4-5 years for Wii U 2 is a 2 year head start like you said. I said double PS4 in power. Above you said 16GB of RAM +4 for OS, that's about double PS4. You also said a 4 TF GPU, which would be about 3X the PS4. I don't know why you suggest one thing and then say it's a waste of time when I say something similar. I'm just not getting into specific numbers, but I think I think graphics are hitting a bit of a plateau. 4Bone isn't blowing me away despite having quite a bit of juice, and I think that will continue to be the case.
I know you're not pleased with the results of the Nintendo Pad, but I think integrating with the next handheld would be a very good strategy. The handhelds are hugely popular, and offering unique experiences such as games that use the handheld as a controller/second screen could lead handheld buyers to purchase the home console. Nintendo needs to tap into this synergy more. I think it will, and it's part of the motivation for combining its handheld and home hardware development.
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