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gmcmen on 01 December 2013
Aielyn said:
Areym said:
Actually, i just looked at the dates for the chart (23rd) and the Wii U did outsell the PS4 because it hadn't released on europe and japan. I thought it was the 29th chart, when the PS4 just released everywhere else. That one is my bad, i didn't look at the times properly. The Wii U did technically outsold the PS4.That being said;

Oh congratulations, the Wii U outsold the PS4 on a 3 to 1 market difference by a difference of 20k, you really know how to pick your battles. Things are really looking up for the Tablet Wii. Also, that is a really shitty/smugged attitude you carry around.

You really aren't getting it, are you? I included it for the fact that it was a technicality. I'm not arguing that the Wii U is doing better than the PS4 right at this moment. I'm not invested in the stupid console war that so many here insist on fighting. When making a comment on the Wii U's sales improving, I used the 360 as a baseline and thus observed that the Wii U nearly sold as many units as it (compared with far less than it just a month ago)... and noted that it also technically outsold the PS4, simply because it's technically true, and thus may as well be mentioned.

There's no "see, the Wii U is better than the PS4" lying within the comment. It was a pure statement of fact, made simply for the sake of making it.

Meanwhile, YOU are being incredibly smug and shitty by doing things like referring to the Wii U as "Tablet Wii" - an attempt to delegitimise and devalue the system that millions of people own and play and enjoy. I don't dismiss, devalue, or otherwise attempt to minimise ANY system, and I suggest that you re-evaluate your way of thinking if you can't help but talk that way about a gaming system. No legitimate, real gamer would speak that way about a gaming system.

dude your whole argument is about how one week on vgchartz btw, is almost selling as much as the 360, while the whole year the wiiu has been selling like crap and 360 has been out selling by times or more, you don't take into account that the wiiu, is probably goona be 5 million short of nintendo's expectation.



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Aielyn on 01 December 2013
gmcmen said:
dude your whole argument is about how one week on vgchartz btw, is almost selling as much as the 360, while the whole year the wiiu has been selling like crap and 360 has been out selling by times or more, you don't take into account that the wiiu, is probably goona be 5 million short of nintendo's expectation.

Great job creating that strawman.

I never said that it was selling well through the rest of the year. My whole argument has been about how well it has been selling over the last MONTH, and particularly, sales GROWTH over that time. It has gone from "seriously struggling" to "holding its own" over that period. It's certainly not stellar, but it's where it should have been through the year, and is likely to continue to increase as 3D World releases in Europe, while Black Friday sales kick in in America, and general holiday sales produce further ramping up of sales.

Have you noticed how, whenever I make a solid point, you try to pivot to a different argument? We weren't debating how well the Wii U sold through 2013 at any point... but now you want to make that the argument in order to make out as though I've been dodging it... yeah. Let me know when you have something real to contribute, instead of console wars and fanboyism.



Kane1389 on 01 December 2013
Aielyn said:
Kane1389 said:
Aielyn said:
Sales of Wii U have increased by nearly 75% in the last two weeks. And it's only going to continue to grow through Christmas, as Nintendo consoles always do. And even right now, the Wii U sold roughly as much as the Xbox 360, and technically outsold the PS4. In other words, it's selling fine.


Jesus Christ, dat denial

I'll have to say it to you, too, I suppose. Words have meanings. "Fine" doesn't mean "great", it means "fine", "passable", "satisfactory", "sufficiently", "within reason", etc. The phrase "it's selling fine" doesn't mean "it's selling stellarly" or "it's selling exceedingly well", it means "sales are nothing to sneeze at, nowadays". There's no denying that sales in general are depressed relative to this point in the previous generation, in all respects (game sales on current and previous-gen systems, etc). Note that this isn't referring to launch sales, which are always subject to supply, hype, etc. When you factor this in, you see that the Wii U is right where you'd expect, really.

What I find funny is that the same people who shout "denial" at anyone being satisfied with Wii U sales numbers now are the same people (or similarn in mentality) to the people who constantly dismissed the Wii's sales numbers as irrelevant, and constantly tried to mark it as "teh cazualz" in order to feel better about their own system - you know, REAL denial behaviour, not just satisfaction with the situation.

I didn't expect it to be selling bellow Dreamcast, I can tell you that.

And no its not fine by any stretch of imagination.  PS3 outsold it almost 2:1, despite being 7 years old. It also failed to outsell the 360 (the console you like to compare the WiiU a lot) despite 360 being dead in 1 market. 

It barely outsold PS4 by less than 20k despite PS4 being available in only 1 region...and completly sold out, whereas Wii U is available worldwide and in a good supply thanks to small demand. You do know that by this time PS4 (and probably Xbone too) have already passed Wii U's YTD sales. And it only took them 1-2 weeks. Thats outright pathetic for Nintendo. 

And please dont bring up ''percentage growth'' and comparisons to the 360 like you constantly do, you know full well % growth means nothing when you still cant sell the same amount of consoles in holiday season that your competitors have been selling during the whole year with much older consoles. And 360 had powerfull hardware for it time, incredible 3rd party support and the best online infrastructure, neither of which can  be said about the Wii U.

I dont know if that last paragraph was aimed at me or no, but I've seen lot of people saying Nintendo shouldn't compete/isn't competing with Sony and MS (hint: look 3 posts above). Funny how things worked out



gmcmen on 01 December 2013
Aielyn said:
gmcmen said:
dude your whole argument is about how one week on vgchartz btw, is almost selling as much as the 360, while the whole year the wiiu has been selling like crap and 360 has been out selling by times or more, you don't take into account that the wiiu, is probably goona be 5 million short of nintendo's expectation.

Great job creating that strawman.

I never said that it was selling well through the rest of the year. My whole argument has been about how well it has been selling over the last MONTH, and particularly, sales GROWTH over that time. It has gone from "seriously struggling" to "holding its own" over that period. It's certainly not stellar, but it's where it should have been through the year, and is likely to continue to increase as 3D World releases in Europe, while Black Friday sales kick in in America, and general holiday sales produce further ramping up of sales.

Have you noticed how, whenever I make a solid point, you try to pivot to a different argument? We weren't debating how well the Wii U sold through 2013 at any point... but now you want to make that the argument in order to make out as though I've been dodging it... yeah. Let me know when you have something real to contribute, instead of console wars and fanboyism.

The thing is we don't know how well its selling this month till npd comes out, last year vgchartz over tracked 360 by a million units, under tracked ps3 by 300,000 and they fixed when npd came out, so please tell don't tell me look at vgchartz numbers when nobody in the industry uses them, not to mention they over over and undertrack by almost 100% sometimes.



Aielyn on 01 December 2013
Kane1389 said:
I didn't expect it to be selling bellow Dreamcast, I can tell you that.

And with that, you've proven yourself to be talking out of your proverbial arse.

The Wii U sold 600,000 units in Japan in 4 weeks. It took the Dreamcast a year and a half to do the same thing.

In the US, it took 17 months for the Dreamcast to sell 3 million units. The Wii U is on track to beat this, based on most recent sales rates.

You know what's funny? The Vita is selling worse than the Dreamcast, by a significant margin now (even in Japan, where handhelds are all the rage). And yet, people like you don't make any comparisons between those two. And yet, based on nothing but your own imagination, you assert that the Wii U is doing worse than the Dreamcast. Notice, by the way, that I make no assertion about the Vita's ability to compete, or whether it's selling well now based on this information.

And that's the funniest part about all this. I even explicitly told you that I didn't give a crap about how it had been selling through 2013, that what matters is CURRENT sales patterns. And you immediately return to your own manufactured argument about total sales.

Let me put it this way. Suppose that the Wii U sold as many units per week every week since launch as it did in the most recent week of data. This would put it at about 5.8 million units today. Note that I'm ignoring the big sales in the first few weeks from launch. Even if it were selling at the previous week's rate, it would have sold over 4 million by now. So like I said, I'm fine with the current rate of sales. Curious how you can't seem to comprehend words like that.



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Aielyn on 01 December 2013
gmcmen said:
The thing is we don't know how well its selling this month till npd comes out, last year vgchartz over tracked 360 by a million units, under tracked ps3 by 300,000 and they fixed when npd came out, so please tell don't tell me look at vgchartz numbers when nobody in the industry uses them, not to mention they over over and undertrack by almost 100% sometimes.

So what you're saying is that Wii U might have actually sold more like 150k in the most recent week of data?

Oh, right - we only get to assume that it overtracks the systems you don't like, and undertracks the ones you do like, right?



gmcmen on 01 December 2013
Aielyn said:
gmcmen said:
The thing is we don't know how well its selling this month till npd comes out, last year vgchartz over tracked 360 by a million units, under tracked ps3 by 300,000 and they fixed when npd came out, so please tell don't tell me look at vgchartz numbers when nobody in the industry uses them, not to mention they over over and undertrack by almost 100% sometimes.

So what you're saying is that Wii U might have actually sold more like 150k in the most recent week of data?

Oh, right - we only get to assume that it overtracks the systems you don't like, and undertracks the ones you do like, right?

nope i never use vgchartz numbers, because they are usually off, and especially with the wiiu, since it sells so low, they have been way off.



gmcmen on 01 December 2013
Aielyn said:
Kane1389 said:
I didn't expect it to be selling bellow Dreamcast, I can tell you that.

And with that, you've proven yourself to be talking out of your proverbial arse.

The Wii U sold 600,000 units in Japan in 4 weeks. It took the Dreamcast a year and a half to do the same thing.

In the US, it took 17 months for the Dreamcast to sell 3 million units. The Wii U is on track to beat this, based on most recent sales rates.

You know what's funny? The Vita is selling worse than the Dreamcast, by a significant margin now (even in Japan, where handhelds are all the rage). And yet, people like you don't make any comparisons between those two. And yet, based on nothing but your own imagination, you assert that the Wii U is doing worse than the Dreamcast. Notice, by the way, that I make no assertion about the Vita's ability to compete, or whether it's selling well now based on this information.

And that's the funniest part about all this. I even explicitly told you that I didn't give a crap about how it had been selling through 2013, that what matters is CURRENT sales patterns. And you immediately return to your own manufactured argument about total sales.

Let me put it this way. Suppose that the Wii U sold as many units per week every week since launch as it did in the most recent week of data. This would put it at about 5.8 million units today. Note that I'm ignoring the big sales in the first few weeks from launch. Even if it were selling at the previous week's rate, it would have sold over 4 million by now. So like I said, I'm fine with the current rate of sales. Curious how you can't seem to comprehend words like that.

its nice that you didn't mention europe because if you did, the wiiu would be tracking behind the dreamcast, look who's yalking from his proverbial arse.



Dv8thwonder on 01 December 2013



Things that need to die in 2016: Defeatist attitudes of Nintendo fans

gmcmen on 01 December 2013

I think i know what the op means when he doesn't include nintendo as a big dawg, nintendo consoles, other then the wii, haven't been doing great in terms of sales, thid party developers are not supporting nintendo, nintendo is reverting to being a small fish in a big pond, when it comes to consoles sales just like the n64 and gamecube.