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As many of you may remember, Sony showed a video at E3 '05 that they believed to show off what the PS3 was capable of.  Of course, we know the final games didn't quite live up to what they showed.  Some were close, others not so much.  The above video demostrates those differences.  A quick note, though.  While the vid says Sony promised that what they showed at E3 was ingame, Sony never actually stated that at E3.  Only that this is what players had to look forward to.

Now, I remember at the time Sony got plenty of flack, from gaming sites and fans of opposing systems, about the differences.  In fact, some still bring it up when dissing Sony or the PS3.  Well, it seems Sony learned their lesson from this, and decided to make sure ALL of the footage they showed at E3 '13 for the PS4, whether a tech demo or gameplay, was actually running on a dev kit.  Many games since E3 actually received graphical upgrades before they were released.  This brings us to MS...

Many of the games MS showed at E3 '13 have actually recieved downgrades, Forza 5 being the most notable of late.  These downgrades include resolution drops, framerate drops, texture quality drops, and/or changes in the quality of lighting.  I have heard some say this is no different to what Sony did, which I guess means they think it's no big deal.  However, they are completely wrong.  MS decided to go a step further in the deception.  They actually took the time, effort, and money to create PLAYABLE DEMOS of their games using HW that was quite a bit better than their own.  This is a whole level above target renders and even bullshots.  This is purposely misleading gamers with demos they can actually play, which would make them think they, or any one else, would be crazy to even question whether the Xbox One could actually handle the game or not.

Now, I would like to know, will the gaming media make a big deal about this, like they did the PS3 target renders?  Or will they remain quiet and help push this under the rug?  So far, I haven't heard much, if anything, from them.  And really only from a few non-Xbox fans since post launch.  What are your thoughts?  Is this a big deal?  Or should we ignore it, possibly making it the norm?



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they should, but they most probably wont

Forza 5 Reveal screen shots before and after. 

and now the before shots



Where is the option this is big deal but the media will cover then?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

it's a "trailer" dont they always try to make them look better i mean it's been that way for 20 years whats changed?

 

im sure it will get talked about the buildings in the forza trailer look real then in game they look like card board cut outs stolen from the simpsons hit and run game..



DonFerrari said:
Where is the option this is big deal but the media will cover then?

I'm guessing you meant cover them?  It's basically the 2nd option. 



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thismeintiel said:


am i the only one that thinks Killzone 2 actually turned out to look a lot better than it s E3 trailer.

tell me im not crazy, but the e3 footage didnt look that impressive, it looked too cartoony, the gun models looked a lot more like their PS2 counterparts,  the faces and their animations looked fake and like plastic. The smoke and sound effects werent as good, etc. Overall real Killzone 2 looked a lot more impressive graphically speaking.

motorstorm on the other hand wasnt even close, its final version looked way worse.



 

thismeintiel said:
DonFerrari said:
Where is the option this is big deal but the media will cover then?

I'm guessing you meant cover them?  It's basically the 2nd option. 

Yes... the line break fooled me =]

You should have a option... "They look a lot better than E3, are the godsend game, the gameplay is what matters and is the best game I have ever played"... so some of the users here have an option to choose, you know them ( now I wrote it right, right?).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

theleaguegame said:

it's a "trailer" dont they always try to make them look better i mean it's been that way for 20 years whats changed?

 

im sure it will get talked about the buildings in the forza trailer look real then in game they look like card board cut outs stolen from the simpsons hit and run game..

Like I wrote, this goes well beyond a simple bullshot or trailer using better assets, though I dislike both of them, too.  MS actually had playable demos running on PCs.  PCs that were much more capable than the Xbox One.  This is why the games received downgrades right before they launched.  The Xbox One couldn't handle the graphics the demos were outputing.  Same developers were nice enough to tell us, others weren't. 



SocialistSlayer said:


am i the only one that thinks Killzone 2 actually turned out to look a lot better than it s E3 trailer.

tell me im not crazy, but the e3 footage didnt look that impressive, it looked too cartoony, the gun models looked a lot more like their PS2 counterparts,  the faces and their animations looked fake and like plastic. The smoke and sound effects werent as good, etc. Overall real Killzone 2 looked a lot more impressive graphically speaking.

motorstorm on the other hand wasnt even close, its final version looked way worse.

I think they both look really good.  The actual games does a few things better than the target render, and vice versa.  Yea, Motorstorm looked TOO good to be true in that vid.  I bet the PS4 could handle it, though.

So, what do you think of what MS did with the demos?



And the best excuse I heard from a MS fan about that is that devs didn't knew what was the real spec when they developed the games (apparently Turn 10 isn't that close to them and just got the dev kit after E3, crazy right???) even tough we heard that Crytek was together with them from the begining...

Downgrade in polygons, resolution and framerate is all accepted under the concept of a better cinematic experience... they are really streatching the concept of less is better.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."