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mysticwolf said:

                Not trying to make anyone feel guilty or anything, but personally I think its messed up how people decide that they want their bodies locked up in a coffin underground for eternity. It seems so... selfish. Call me a tree-hugger, because I am, but it's extremely selfish. We take resources from the earth all our lives (as do all other organisms), but then when we die we want to keep even our body and lock it up from the world that so graciously gave life to us? We humans are selfish even in death. On a more positive note, humans also display the most altruism of any other species. But that doesn't make up for what we do.

                I couldn't stand the idea of having my body locked away in a box. I've had enough of boxes. We live in a box, we drive around in a box on wheels, we stare into a box for many hours each day, we go to sleep on top of a box, and when we die we are placed inside a box. But not me.

                For me, the choice seems obvious: Give my body freely back to the planet that enabled me to live. I would have my body thrown out into the middle of the ocean, give back my body to the place where life started. But I think that may not be possible legally, as my remains could well end up on the shore of some country, and that might not go so well. 

I wouldn't like the idea of cremation, because most of my body would simply be lost as heat, not really helping the environment when all the nutrients in my body are burned into ashes. I want to be picked at, gnawed on, chewed up, etc. Basically I want my body turned into animal tissue and poop. 

 

What about you? Feel free to share what you want to happen to your body when you die. I won't criticize you, unless you want me to. 

 

I would add a poll but it wouldn't let me, so whatevs



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mysticwolf said:
wfz said:

Not sure if anyone's said it yet, but:

I want my body put in a capsule and shot off into space. Maybe thousands/millions of years later my body will be found by an alien species and they will learn a lot of interesting things about humans by having one of our bodies.


Or get destroyed by colliding with an astroid or planet.


That's a chance my dead body is willing to take.



wfz said:

That's a chance my dead body is willing to take.


So is it safe to say that even after death, your body is always ready?



KILL IT WITH FIRE! Erm, me, not it. Or my body. I suppose it's 'it' after all. And I guess I don't want to be killed with fire while I'm still alive. Anyway, I don't really care that much. I just don't want it to be a nuisance to others, for example taking space in a cemetery. Realistically speaking, cremation will probably be the way to go when the time comes.



It rots.



 

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mysticwolf said:

Coffins, in a sense do steal resources. Coffins don't grow on trees, they come from trees. A tree has to be cut down in order for me to be buried in a coffin. Cutting down that tree for my coffin sends the message that I am more important than that tree. If you look at what it takes to make the average wooden coffin, it's a lot more than just wood. Much stuff that could be harmful to the environment.I realize that coffins aren't permanent and that they will eventually break down. But for me, the problem I have is the premise behind it. To me, a coffin sends the message of trying to protect and shield the body from the outisde world. We don't even need coffins. Originally, coffins were used to prevent decay, to stop spread of diseases from corpses, a way to respect and give comfort to the dead, and as a symbol of wealth. We don't need any of those things. 

I never said I was taking atoms away from the universe, I said that if I was to be put in a coffin I would feel like I was keeping my atoms all to myself, instead of giving them back to the earth. Furthermore, I believe the energy in my body would be put to better use on the forest floor or in the ocean, rather than inside a box six feet under. 


What makes a tree more important than a coffin? They're all a bunch of atoms, just with different arrangements. There's no true significance either way. If the atoms form trees, then that's fine. If they form a coffin, then that's fine too. There isn't much of a difference. Why is a tree more valuable than a coffin?

Also, why would the energy of your body be of better use on the ocean floor rather than in a box six feet under? What's the difference between being home to underwater organisms versus being home to underground organisms? Are you trying to say that lifeforms in the ocean are better than lifeforms in the dirt? That's racist.



Jay520 said:
mysticwolf said:

Coffins, in a sense do steal resources. Coffins don't grow on trees, they come from trees. A tree has to be cut down in order for me to be buried in a coffin. Cutting down that tree for my coffin sends the message that I am more important than that tree. If you look at what it takes to make the average wooden coffin, it's a lot more than just wood. Much stuff that could be harmful to the environment.I realize that coffins aren't permanent and that they will eventually break down. But for me, the problem I have is the premise behind it. To me, a coffin sends the message of trying to protect and shield the body from the outisde world. We don't even need coffins. Originally, coffins were used to prevent decay, to stop spread of diseases from corpses, a way to respect and give comfort to the dead, and as a symbol of wealth. We don't need any of those things. 

I never said I was taking atoms away from the universe, I said that if I was to be put in a coffin I would feel like I was keeping my atoms all to myself, instead of giving them back to the earth. Furthermore, I believe the energy in my body would be put to better use on the forest floor or in the ocean, rather than inside a box six feet under. 


What makes a tree more important than a coffin? They're all a bunch of atoms, just with different arrangements. There's no true significance either way. If the atoms form trees, then that's fine. If they form a coffin, then that's fine too. There isn't much of a difference. Why is a tree more valuable than a coffin?

Also, why would the energy of your body be of better use on the ocean floor rather than in a box six feet under? What's the difference between being home to underwater organisms versus being home to underground organisms? Are you trying to say that lifeforms in the ocean are better than lifeforms in the dirt? That's racist.

Let's analyze your perspective for a moment here. What I'm getting from this is that everything is just atoms and nothing matters. Let's see how practical that is. Why don't I just go perform some huge terrorist act, and let's say I killed 10,000 people. There's nothing wrong with that, they are just atoms so it doesn't matter if their tissues are living or dead. While it's true that a dead human and an alive human are both simply an arrangement of atoms, that doesn't tell me if what I did was the moral thing to do. You can't honestly tell me that you care about nothing. You can't sincerely tell me that there are not good and bad things in this world. 

The point you are missing is the value of life. The tree is more valueable than the coffin because the tree is alive. Unless you see no value to life in and of itself, you should have a problem with the idea of me killing you and your family. 

As for my desire to decompose in the ocean, that is simply my preference. My body would be easier to access to larger scavengers and would decompose more quickly in the water. It doesn't really matter in the long run I suppose, but then again, neither does anything else according to you. 



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mysticwolf said:
Jay520 said:

What makes a tree more important than a coffin? They're all a bunch of atoms, just with different arrangements. There's no true significance either way. If the atoms form trees, then that's fine. If they form a coffin, then that's fine too. There isn't much of a difference. Why is a tree more valuable than a coffin?

Also, why would the energy of your body be of better use on the ocean floor rather than in a box six feet under? What's the difference between being home to underwater organisms versus being home to underground organisms? Are you trying to say that lifeforms in the ocean are better than lifeforms in the dirt? That's racist.

Let's analyze your perspective for a moment here. What I'm getting from this is that everything is just atoms and nothing matters. Let's see how practical that is. Why don't I just go perform some huge terrorist act, and let's say I killed 10,000 people. There's nothing wrong with that, they are just atoms so it doesn't matter if their tissues are living or dead. While it's true that a dead human and an alive human are both simply an arrangement of atoms, that doesn't tell me if what I did was the moral thing to do. You can't honestly tell me that you care about nothing. You can't sincerely tell me that there are not good and bad things in this world. 

The point you are missing is the value of life. The tree is more valueable than the coffin because the tree is alive. Unless you see no value to life in and of itself, you should have a problem with the idea of me killing you and your family. 

As for my desire to decompose in the ocean, that is simply my preference. My body would be easier to access to larger scavengers and would decompose more quickly in the water. It doesn't really matter in the long run I suppose, but then again, neither does anything else according to you. 


Wow wow..I never said morality doesn't exist. In fact, I didn't even make any claims about right and wrong. This isn't really about morality. This is about selfishness, which seemed to be the main point of your post. Remember you said this:

"We take resources from the earth all our lives (as do all other organisms), but then when we die we want to keep even our body and lock it up from the world that so graciously gave life to us? We humans are selfish even in death."

You're saying that being buried is selfish since it blocks off resources. But as I've just shown you - which you just agreed with - it's not selfish because you don't hold any resouces. Everything eventually gets back to the Earth one way or another (via soil or the ocean, or in a hundred years or in one day, it doesn't matter).

As for the coffin versus the tree, I guess that has some connections with morality, but I was mainly talking about the value of these objects. You say a tree is more valuable than a coffin because the tree is alive and the coffin isn't, but I question this stance. Man-made objects can be incredibly valuable to many people. They may not be inherently important on their own, but they can be symbols for deeper meanings. For example, people assign great significance to any object that allows for the artistic expression of emotions, or that behave as symbols for deeper, spiritual connections, or that allows for breakthrows in human advancement, etc. Sure, these objects may not be alive, but they are important nonentheless. 

So no, I don't see why a tree is more valuable than a coffin just becaues it's alive. The only way you could take this stance is if you asserted that all man-made objects are less valuable than living organisms, which I doubt is a stance you want to take.You wouldn't say some random tree is more valuable than the Sistine Chapel, would you? Do you believe all art is less valuable than a patch of grass?



Jay520 said:
mysticwolf said:

Coffins, in a sense do steal resources. Coffins don't grow on trees, they come from trees. A tree has to be cut down in order for me to be buried in a coffin. Cutting down that tree for my coffin sends the message that I am more important than that tree. If you look at what it takes to make the average wooden coffin, it's a lot more than just wood. Much stuff that could be harmful to the environment.I realize that coffins aren't permanent and that they will eventually break down. But for me, the problem I have is the premise behind it. To me, a coffin sends the message of trying to protect and shield the body from the outisde world. We don't even need coffins. Originally, coffins were used to prevent decay, to stop spread of diseases from corpses, a way to respect and give comfort to the dead, and as a symbol of wealth. We don't need any of those things. 

I never said I was taking atoms away from the universe, I said that if I was to be put in a coffin I would feel like I was keeping my atoms all to myself, instead of giving them back to the earth. Furthermore, I believe the energy in my body would be put to better use on the forest floor or in the ocean, rather than inside a box six feet under. 


What makes a tree more important than a coffin? They're all a bunch of atoms, just with different arrangements. There's no true significance either way. If the atoms form trees, then that's fine. If they form a coffin, then that's fine too. There isn't much of a difference. Why is a tree more valuable than a coffin?

Also, why would the energy of your body be of better use on the ocean floor rather than in a box six feet under? What's the difference between being home to underwater organisms versus being home to underground organisms? Are you trying to say that lifeforms in the ocean are better than lifeforms in the dirt? That's racist.


This sounds like something I would say.