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irstupid on 13 November 2013
CGI-Quality said:
irstupid said:
CGI-Quality said:
phenom08 said:
Wrong CGI and wow PS4 just keeps getting better and better. ;)

If "it keeps getting better and better" is supposed to put it down somehow, in regards to memory, one can only imagine what you think of the WiiU.

That isn't s shot at it, either, but you're coming in here with nonsense like there is some major issue. 

Anyway, OT: It was reported earlier that the 408GB was wrong. Don't know what happened in the meantime, but 92GB for the OS seems rather large. Even with that pic, which didn't exist in the earlier article, that amount seems fishy.

When one Wii U game takes up 2 gb, where 1 PS4 game takes up 40 gb.

Which one will use up their space first?  Wii U space 30 gb or whatever it is from the 32 max.  PS4 408 gb.  

Wii U can fit almost 15 games.  PS4 can fit 10 games.

Oh and those are full retail download WIi U games.  If they were disc games then that number would be 1000x higher.  THe PS4 games on disc REQUIRE like 40 gb.  Wii U requires what 10 mb?  

Also its not 92 gb for OS.  Everyone shoudl know these days that when something says its 500 gb you don' tget 500 gb, you get like 470 gb at best, probably closer to 450.  Thus the OS is like 40 gb then.

The point of mentioning the WiiU was quite simple - he made it seem as if the PS4 had been downgraded somehow, and thus, didn't have much memory to work with. In other words, you explained all that for nothing.

As for the HDD, that's my point, the OS can't take up 92GB. So something else is memory hungry, or this is wrong.

The HDD is NOT 500 gb.   I bought like 10 HDD in my life and they are NEVER the size they advertize.  If its advertised 200 gb, it's max is like 180.  If it's advertised 2,000 gb its max is actually only 1,800.  ect.

I found out today why that actually is.  Apparantly HDD count by 1000, while the pc's count 1024.  So a 1024 gb HDD would be seen as 1000 gb.  

Or in this case a 500 gb hdd would only be seen on the PS4 as like 485.  So you lose 15 gb just from different ways of reading size.  

Thus at most the OS is closer to 75 gb than your 92 gb.  While still large, you might be forgetting their could be many apps downloaded as well on the system, such as netflix ect.  

I don't know why we are arguing though.  Who cares where the 92 gb is hiden, whether its from reading size differently or the OS and other apps.  Fact is the PS4 only has 408 gb of available storage that you can use, NOT 500.



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Pemalite on 13 November 2013
irstupid said:
BasilZero said:
irstupid said:
I hate how the label is never correct, and why is it always like a percentage and not some number

Why does my 2 tb disc need like 100 gb to be ready, yet my 250 gb one only need 30. Why aren't they both 30?

It's like the whole prize winning in game shows. Would love it if when they said you won 1,000 that mean AFTER TAX 1,000.

Why couldn't they give it a 600 gb harddrive and label it as a 500 gb. Or why is it labeled 500 when there is no way you can ever make it 500, its really only 410, so why not label it 410?

But anyone who expected 500 gb doesn't know tech at all. I could have told anyone it was closer to 400 than 500. As I said above, for some reason the higher the hdd is teh more space gets removed for some stupid ass reason.

http://www.howtogeek.com/123268/

Ah so they use a different method of conversion basically.  Computer reads a gb as 1024, while hdd 1000.    So a 1024 gb HDD would be seen on pc as only 1000 gb.  

Like you buy a Metric HDD and yet your computer reads it in American.

Stupid.  One of them shoudl change, its annoying.  


Well. A "1 Terabyte" hard drive reads as 931GB, 2 Terabyte drive read's as 1.81 Terabytes, 3 Terabyte drive reads as 2.72 Terabytes. (I have to many Hard Drives and not enough space!)

A long time ago in techland people actually filed a class action lawsuit against drive manufacturers for how they label drive sizes, nothing ever changed though.
They need to use powers of 1024 for advertising drive sizes, not powers of 1000, then they will match the rest of the industry.

As for the drive usage, keep in mind a massive chunk of that is possibly for caching purposes.



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irstupid on 13 November 2013
CGI-Quality said:
irstupid said:
CGI-Quality said:
irstupid said:

When one Wii U game takes up 2 gb, where 1 PS4 game takes up 40 gb.

Which one will use up their space first?  Wii U space 30 gb or whatever it is from the 32 max.  PS4 408 gb.  

Wii U can fit almost 15 games.  PS4 can fit 10 games.

Oh and those are full retail download WIi U games.  If they were disc games then that number would be 1000x higher.  THe PS4 games on disc REQUIRE like 40 gb.  Wii U requires what 10 mb?  

Also its not 92 gb for OS.  Everyone shoudl know these days that when something says its 500 gb you don' tget 500 gb, you get like 470 gb at best, probably closer to 450.  Thus the OS is like 40 gb then.

The point of mentioning the WiiU was quite simple - he made it seem as if the PS4 had been downgraded somehow, and thus, didn't have much memory to work with. In other words, you explained all that for nothing.

As for the HDD, that's my point, the OS can't take up 92GB. So something else is memory hungry, or this is wrong.

The HDD is NOT 500 gb.   I bought like 10 HDD in my life and they are NEVER the size they advertize.  If its advertised 200 gb, it's max is like 180.  If it's advertised 2,000 gb its max is actually only 1,800.  ect.

I found out today why that actually is.  Apparantly HDD count by 1000, while the pc's count 1024.  So a 1024 gb HDD would be seen as 1000 gb.  

Or in this case a 500 gb hdd would only be seen on the PS4 as like 485.  So you lose 15 gb just from different ways of reading size.  

Thus at most the OS is closer to 75 gb than your 92 gb.  While still large, you might be forgetting their could be many apps downloaded as well on the system, such as netflix ect.  

I don't know why we are arguing though.  Who cares where the 92 gb is hiden, whether its from reading size differently or the OS and other apps.  Fact is the PS4 only has 408 gb of available storage that you can use, NOT 500.

We're only arguing because you continue to post long lists of explanations that I don't need. I know how a HDD works. I happen to own quite a few. ;)

THen why do you constantly bring up 92, when you would damn know that its not 92 but a lower number than that just from conversion of numbers



irstupid on 13 November 2013
Pemalite said:
irstupid said:
BasilZero said:
irstupid said:
I hate how the label is never correct, and why is it always like a percentage and not some number

Why does my 2 tb disc need like 100 gb to be ready, yet my 250 gb one only need 30. Why aren't they both 30?

It's like the whole prize winning in game shows. Would love it if when they said you won 1,000 that mean AFTER TAX 1,000.

Why couldn't they give it a 600 gb harddrive and label it as a 500 gb. Or why is it labeled 500 when there is no way you can ever make it 500, its really only 410, so why not label it 410?

But anyone who expected 500 gb doesn't know tech at all. I could have told anyone it was closer to 400 than 500. As I said above, for some reason the higher the hdd is teh more space gets removed for some stupid ass reason.

http://www.howtogeek.com/123268/

Ah so they use a different method of conversion basically.  Computer reads a gb as 1024, while hdd 1000.    So a 1024 gb HDD would be seen on pc as only 1000 gb.  

Like you buy a Metric HDD and yet your computer reads it in American.

Stupid.  One of them shoudl change, its annoying.  


Well. A "1 Terabyte" hard drive reads as 931GB, 2 Terabyte drive read's as 1.81 Terabytes, 3 Terabyte drive reads as 2.72 Terabytes. (I have to many Hard Drives and not enough space!)

A long time ago in techland people actually filed a class action lawsuit against drive manufacturers for how they label drive sizes, nothing ever changed though.
They need to use powers of 1024 for advertising drive sizes, not powers of 1000, then they will match the rest of the industry.

Reminds me of the whole lawsuit with regards to commercials being so much louder than tv shows.  I swear a law even got passed like last year that was supposed to make commercials no longer super ass loud.

Pretty sure they are still way louder than the tv show is.



Frequency on 13 November 2013
CGI-Quality said:
irstupid said:
CGI-Quality said:

We're only arguing because you continue to post long lists of explanations that I don't need. I know how a HDD works. I happen to own quite a few. ;)

THen why do you constantly bring up 92, when you would damn know that its not 92 but a lower number than that just from conversion of numbers

The GrapeVine tells me it's background applications, the OS, and fragments of the new PlayStation Store that chop away at the space, which as you said (and I know), isn't a full 500GB anyway (the chatter I hear claim it's 472GB before the mentioned variables). 


i already covered it in an earlier post everyone seems to have skipped.

a large chunk of it is cache for the 15 minutes of live gameplay to be dumped in, and edited, it isnt saved to your usable space until you go in and manually save a section, such a cache area needs to be in a constrained environment for obvious reasons.

p.s. 8gb of it is reserved for resume state backup, eventally you will be able to boot from a resume state even from cold boot once its added to the firmware.



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DirtyP2002 on 13 November 2013

I never understood why PS4 and Xbox One did not go with a 1TB HDD anyway.
This is would be sooo cheap and even needed when you look at the required GB for games like Ryse and Killzone.



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m0ney on 13 November 2013

My pc has usable storage of 837 GB, therefore my pc is roughly twice better.



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Lonely_Dolphin on 13 November 2013

Is there any benifit to buying games digitally? Otherwise that 408GB will still be plenty enough space for me.



Frequency on 13 November 2013

I have a Seagate/Samsung Spinpoint M9T sat waiting, 2tb of ps4 goodness.



Pemalite on 13 November 2013
DirtyP2002 said:
I never understood why PS4 and Xbox One did not go with a 1TB HDD anyway.
This is would be sooo cheap and even needed when you look at the required GB for games like Ryse and Killzone.

In a cost sensitive device, every $5-$10 counts.

I agree though, 500GB hard drives shouldn't have been included, more so for the Xbox One as it's drive isn't user replaceable.



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