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fatslob-:O said:

@Bold Not comparable to the 3DS. Are you even reading ? -_-

Like I said the 3DS is more powerful and I stand by that statement, however that doesn't completely equate to having completely superior graphics since the 3DS sacrified a part of the graphics for better stereoscopic 3D performance. (I hope this statement clears up some things since I'm getting tired of repeating it over and over.) -_-

If your wondering why the 3DS can perform somewhat better in graphics it has to do with efficiency but like I said before the 3DS does not out the PSP completely.

There is no such thing as proofs. There is only evidence in the physical world. 

See this right here ? The 3DS still has to produce a left and right image while also producing another 2 frames for a black image on each eye. This time the shutter is located on the screen instead of the glass. Whether you need glasses or not you still have to put 4X the computational effort to produce 1 3D frame. 

3D doesn't take anything close to 4x the computational effort. It's actually between 1X and 2X depending on the technology.

Trust me, I'm an expert



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JoeTheBro said:
fatslob-:O said:

@Bold Not comparable to the 3DS. Are you even reading ? -_-

Like I said the 3DS is more powerful and I stand by that statement, however that doesn't completely equate to having completely superior graphics since the 3DS sacrified a part of the graphics for better stereoscopic 3D performance. (I hope this statement clears up some things since I'm getting tired of repeating it over and over.) -_-

If your wondering why the 3DS can perform somewhat better in graphics it has to do with efficiency but like I said before the 3DS does not out the PSP completely.

There is no such thing as proofs. There is only evidence in the physical world. 

See this right here ? The 3DS still has to produce a left and right image while also producing another 2 frames for a black image on each eye. This time the shutter is located on the screen instead of the glass. Whether you need glasses or not you still have to put 4X the computational effort to produce 1 3D frame. 

3D doesn't take anything close to 4x the computational effort. It's actually between 1X and 2X depending on the technology.

Trust me, I'm an expert

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/3d-vision-surround-stereoscopic-gaming,2672-6.html

......right



fatslob-:O said:
JoeTheBro said:
fatslob-:O said:

@Bold Not comparable to the 3DS. Are you even reading ? -_-

Like I said the 3DS is more powerful and I stand by that statement, however that doesn't completely equate to having completely superior graphics since the 3DS sacrified a part of the graphics for better stereoscopic 3D performance. (I hope this statement clears up some things since I'm getting tired of repeating it over and over.) -_-

If your wondering why the 3DS can perform somewhat better in graphics it has to do with efficiency but like I said before the 3DS does not out the PSP completely.

There is no such thing as proofs. There is only evidence in the physical world. 

See this right here ? The 3DS still has to produce a left and right image while also producing another 2 frames for a black image on each eye. This time the shutter is located on the screen instead of the glass. Whether you need glasses or not you still have to put 4X the computational effort to produce 1 3D frame. 

3D doesn't take anything close to 4x the computational effort. It's actually between 1X and 2X depending on the technology.

Trust me, I'm an expert

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/3d-vision-surround-stereoscopic-gaming,2672-6.html

......right

FPS != computational effort. When you bundle two graphics cards do you have double the computational power? Basically. Do you have double the fps? Not really.

What part of "I'm an expert" don't you understand? I know this stuff man ;)



JoeTheBro said:
fatslob-:O said:
JoeTheBro said:
fatslob-:O said:

@Bold Not comparable to the 3DS. Are you even reading ? -_-

Like I said the 3DS is more powerful and I stand by that statement, however that doesn't completely equate to having completely superior graphics since the 3DS sacrified a part of the graphics for better stereoscopic 3D performance. (I hope this statement clears up some things since I'm getting tired of repeating it over and over.) -_-

If your wondering why the 3DS can perform somewhat better in graphics it has to do with efficiency but like I said before the 3DS does not out the PSP completely.

There is no such thing as proofs. There is only evidence in the physical world. 

See this right here ? The 3DS still has to produce a left and right image while also producing another 2 frames for a black image on each eye. This time the shutter is located on the screen instead of the glass. Whether you need glasses or not you still have to put 4X the computational effort to produce 1 3D frame. 

3D doesn't take anything close to 4x the computational effort. It's actually between 1X and 2X depending on the technology.

Trust me, I'm an expert

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/3d-vision-surround-stereoscopic-gaming,2672-6.html

......right

FPS != computational effort. When you bundle two graphics cards do you have double the computational power? Basically. Do you have double the fps? Not really.

What part of "I'm an expert" don't you understand? I know this stuff man ;)

@Bold What does this have to do about the discussion of how computationally expensive a 3D frame is ? 

That's cause your likely not an expert at this stuff. ;)



fatslob-:O said:
JoeTheBro said:
fatslob-:O said:
JoeTheBro said:

3D doesn't take anything close to 4x the computational effort. It's actually between 1X and 2X depending on the technology.

Trust me, I'm an expert

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/3d-vision-surround-stereoscopic-gaming,2672-6.html

......right

FPS != computational effort. When you bundle two graphics cards do you have double the computational power? Basically. Do you have double the fps? Not really.

What part of "I'm an expert" don't you understand? I know this stuff man ;)

@Bold What does this have to do about the discussion of how computationally expensive a 3D frame is ? 

That's cause your likely not an expert at this stuff. ;)

Your link shows FPS in games with 3D on and 3D off. Was there something else at that link I was supposed to notice? Otherwise my comment is just as on topic as your link.

As far as being an expert, I'm obsessed with 3D even more than Kaizar is. So obsessed that I incorporated it into my profession. I'm not going to spill the beans on my credentials since I'd like to stay anonymous at least a little bit longer so if you don't believe me, I can find other sources that say the same thing.



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fatslob-:O said:

@Bold What does this have to do about the discussion of how computationally expensive a 3D frame is ? 

That's cause your likely not an expert at this stuff. ;)


If you're not trolling, you clearly know way less than you think you do.  I have only seen you provide a source TWO times and BOTH of those times did NOT say what you were saying.  AKA You are wrong.  No one in here agrees with you, and there's good reason for it.  JoeTheBro isn't even that big of a Nintendo fan (not sure if he would agree he is or not).  The fact of the matter is that you're too stubborn and closed-minded to accept anything that you don't already believe.  I had already PROVED to you with REAL evidence that the 3DS is pushing better graphics than the PSP.  You tried evading it saying "oh derp, that screen shot are not representative of der game"  I bet you haven't even played the game or even have a 3DS.  I put 90 hours into the game, I know what I'm talking about when I say  that a lot of the game is just like the screenshot and a pretty large portion of the game is NOT in dark corridors AND the framerate is very stable for the majority of the game.  

On top of that, what you said about PC games before... it all depends on your PC.  PC can also sport a much lower graphical fidelity and frame-rate.  It depends on how much you're willing to spend.  So if you're okay with spending thousands of dollars every year so you never see any graphical problems or frame rate issues, I don't think you hold any realistic views here.



JoeTheBro said:
fatslob-:O said:
JoeTheBro said:
fatslob-:O said:
JoeTheBro said:

3D doesn't take anything close to 4x the computational effort. It's actually between 1X and 2X depending on the technology.

Trust me, I'm an expert

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/3d-vision-surround-stereoscopic-gaming,2672-6.html

......right

FPS != computational effort. When you bundle two graphics cards do you have double the computational power? Basically. Do you have double the fps? Not really.

What part of "I'm an expert" don't you understand? I know this stuff man ;)

@Bold What does this have to do about the discussion of how computationally expensive a 3D frame is ? 

That's cause your likely not an expert at this stuff. ;)

Your link shows FPS in games with 3D on and 3D off. Was there something else at that link I was supposed to notice? Otherwise my comment is just as on topic as your link.

As far as being an expert, I'm obsessed with 3D even more than Kaizar is. So obsessed that I incorporated it into my profession. I'm not going to spill the beans on my credentials since I'd like to stay anonymous at least a little bit longer so if you don't believe me, I can find other sources that say the same thing.

The link was supposed to show how computationally expensive 3D is. It seems you missed the point of that link.

Then I'm sure you know why I explained how computationally expenisve it is. Do you have any explanation as to why it's not very expensive if i'm missing something ?



MDMAlliance said:
fatslob-:O said:

@Bold What does this have to do about the discussion of how computationally expensive a 3D frame is ? 

That's cause your likely not an expert at this stuff. ;)


If you're not trolling, you clearly know way less than you think you do.  I have only seen you provide a source TWO times and BOTH of those times did NOT say what you were saying.  AKA You are wrong.  No one in here agrees with you, and there's good reason for it.  JoeTheBro isn't even that big of a Nintendo fan (not sure if he would agree he is or not).  The fact of the matter is that you're too stubborn and closed-minded to accept anything that you don't already believe.  I had already PROVED to you with REAL evidence that the 3DS is pushing better graphics than the PSP.  You tried evading it saying "oh derp, that screen shot are not representative of der game"  I bet you haven't even played the game or even have a 3DS.  I put 90 hours into the game, I know what I'm talking about when I say  that a lot of the game is just like the screenshot and a pretty large portion of the game is NOT in dark corridors AND the framerate is very stable for the majority of the game.  

On top of that, what you said about PC games before... it all depends on your PC.  PC can also sport a much lower graphical fidelity and frame-rate.  It depends on how much you're willing to spend.  So if you're okay with spending thousands of dollars every year so you never see any graphical problems or frame rate issues, I don't think you hold any realistic views here.

@Bold You clearly don't have any clue as to what I'm talking about so why don't you do some experiments before confronting me. You mean pushing better shader at the cost of better draw distances and muddy textures everywhere else ? The large part of the game is composed of dark rooms. It sounds like you didn't even play the game. BTW 22fps is still 22fps just so you know. 

Sounds like your ignorant about PC and once again go experiment if your willing too LMAO. 

Oh my it's extremely painful to explain to you. 



Dr.EisDrachenJaeger said:
Well people seem to think Graphics means physics these days

No but it means better interactivity. ;)



I see even after all this time, fatslob is still at it, eh