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kirby007 said:
Madword said:
Adinnieken said:

Going to drop a bombshell.

Not all HD7000 series GPUs are the same.

Some AMD HD7000 series GPUs only support the DirectX 11_0 feature level, yet they are or will be DirectX 11.2 compatible with a driver update. Only the Xbox One's GPU is DirectX 11_1 feature level compatible. The "Tahiti"/"Pitcairn" line of AMD GPUs are first generation GCN, which is what the PS4's GPU is based on. The Xbox One's GPU is based on the "Bonaire" GPUs.

Why does this matter, it's only DirectX right?

No.

DirectX 11_0 level GPUs only support Tier 1 - Tiled Resources. DirectX 11_1 level GPUs support Tier 2 - Tiled Resources.

Yes, the PS4 will have similar capabilities as the Xbox One, even the Voxel Cone Ray Tracing. The difference is that the Xbox One's GPU feature full hardware (Tier 2) where as the PS4's is software based (Tier 1).

As mentioned in the original post, Voxel Cone Ray Tracing uses Tiled Resources. Both the Xbox One and PS4 are capable of supporting Voxel Cone Ray Tracing, but the Xbox One's implementation is hardware based. Meaning faster.

That is the secret sauce.

You've posted about 3 or 4 secret sauce posts, so is this the *one* now... or are you going to go with something else in a few days?

prove him its not true or hold your tongue

^This, if some of you don't like reading about some of the awesome and amazing tech behind the Xbox One.  The Kinect, the New Controller, the Chips and DirectX 11.2,  and some of the other cools things it can do, just doing read them!  No need for people to click and then embarrasses themselves with information is way over their heads.

I'll admit, it's kinda funny, that people say, "No True, mine just has to be better!" and think they won are argument, when it reality, they just wasted their own time.

Some of us like tech as sort of a beautiful art form.  The PS4 will have fine games, now run along and dream about them while the rest of us examine, marvel and investigate the innovative things Microsoft is doing on the new Xbox One.



 

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Sad how Adinnieken didn't understand what a GCN GPU was. The one claiming to know about hardware yet doesn't about the gpu architecture the xbone is using.



drkohler said:
Adinnieken said:

There is only one hardware chip in a retail product that supports it DirectX11_1 and Tier 2 - PTR.  One that just coincidentally shares similar unit counts to the GPU in Xbox One.  That is the Bonaire-based AMD GPU.

Why are bringing up shit time and again? And what the hell has "unit count" to do with hardware features?

In every slide Sony has shown about the gpu they mark it as having DirectX11.2 compatible features (they even label it as DirectX11.2+)


Yea, well, that is not exactly accurate.  Sony is trying to have features like DirectX, but it does not have DirectX, unless they purchased the license from Microsoft.  And Nowhere has anything stated this.

Toyota has features like a Bugatti, like four tires, engine, and a steering wheel, but that doesn't make it the same.



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

Tell me a funny joke!

Answer this question Adinnieken if you want to possibly restore your credibility, Why did AMD architect the GCN architecture in the first place instead of improving VLIW architecture ?



Hynad said:

These things will never end, will they?

There is no secret sauce. There is nothing that will bring the performance of the XBO to the PS4's level. It's on the hardware level.

Seriously, why is it so important in the first place? Don't the games revealed so far look good enough already?

Why the need to have the best in everything? Why can't you settle for the franchises you're already hooked to, and be content with the fact that you'll get to play more of them on your console of choice?

 Why all this insecurity and FUD?

The only insecurity is people constantly invading threads that they don't understand and trying to deny things that are way over their heads. Like somehow, the cool tech that Microsoft has been working on and refining since it started DirectX in the mid 1990's is an affront to them or their beloved future console of choice.

Learning about tech is quite fun for some of it.  Like a beautiful hobby.

No one is forcing you to come to the threads, and you might actually want to read the original post.  It's interesting, and even the PS4 may have some limited capacity too.



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

Tell me a funny joke!

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Zappykins said:
Hynad said:

These things will never end, will they?

There is no secret sauce. There is nothing that will bring the performance of the XBO to the PS4's level. It's on the hardware level.

Seriously, why is it so important in the first place? Don't the games revealed so far look good enough already?

Why the need to have the best in everything? Why can't you settle for the franchises you're already hooked to, and be content with the fact that you'll get to play more of them on your console of choice?

 Why all this insecurity and FUD?

The only insecurity is people constantly invading threads that they don't understand and trying to deny things that are way over their heads. Like somehow, the cool tech that Microsoft has been working on and refining since it started DirectX in the mid 1990's is an affront to them or their beloved future console of choice.

Learning about tech is quite fun for some of it.  Like a beautiful hobby.

No one is forcing you to come to the threads, and you might actually want to read the original post.  It's interesting, and even the PS4 may have some limited capacity too.

There's insecurity from both sides but both of them don't know about hardware and plus I'm pretty sure the OP is insecure himself.



J_Allard said:
Why do people post as if they are forced to browse to the MS section and read these threads? I feel sorry for you guys, being forced to read threads and post in threads you don't care about :(

Also, Xbone will be the KFC of the console world. 11 secret sauces.

Just a small note, people are not necessarily browsing the MS forum, on the front page there is a Hot topics link. People see a headline and click on it ;)

There is no problem posting stuff thats what this forum is for, but this is the fourth ? post from the same source. I personally don't have an issue, but which one is true. If one is true does that make the others not true. I just think a bit more common sense is needed in some of these topics, otherwise isnt it just spamming the topics with the latest secret sauce :)

Who know's there might be something that MS will reveal, but all these "secret sauce today is..." is getting stupid.



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pezus said:
Gamecube said:
pezus said:
Here's a question for you all who believe there is some secret sauce that makes the One as powerful or MORE powerful than the PS4: Why did MS give BOTH the CPU and GPU a boost as a direct response to PS4's specs?


It's just an optimization, if the hardware can stably do it, why not? Also, why would MS's "direct respnse" be something that doesn't come close to evening up the paper specs? 

Because it's the best they can do with the limited time they have...

It's clearly a response. They don't want the gap to be as big as it is.

It couldn't have anything to do with the optimised mono driver they installed, which "coencidently" happened at the same time....  



Zappykins said:

^This, if some of you don't like reading about some of the awesome and amazing tech behind the Xbox One.  The Kinect, the New Controller, the Chips and DirectX 11.2,  and some of the other cools things it can do, just doing read them!  No need for people to click and then embarrasses themselves with information is way over their heads.

I'll admit, it's kinda funny, that people say, "No True, mine just has to be better!" and think they won are argument, when it reality, they just wasted their own time.

Some of us like tech as sort of a beautiful art form.  The PS4 will have fine games, now run along and dream about them while the rest of us examine, marvel and investigate the innovative things Microsoft is doing on the new Xbox One.

This is the fourth or 5th post. I dont have a problem with common discussion, but spamming secret sauce posts and some with very iffy information, is getting silly. At the end of the day it will be the games that make the difference... unfortunately some people are having "my console is better than your console measuring contests". If its not one thing it's something else.

Some of the comments you put in that statement says its all really, and you are just as much to blame as the Sony people you are castigating.



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pezus said:
Gamecube said:
kirby007 said:
people moaning at OP fear the One has some extra tricks up its sleeve and is insanely futureproof and probably are just mad at that? cant see a reason this moaning happening otherwise


Kind of sad really, they arn't happy with there console of choice. So they must come to the opponents side and whine about them talking about possibilities.

It's kind of ironic that you're the one doing all the complaining and "whining" in here, then.


No, not really. When was I whining? I came in to discuss possibilties, ps4 fanboys came here because they can't stand the thought of XB1 possibly has something positive to offer. Such a shame you're that unhappy with your console.