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prlatino86 said: @PDF I do understand what your saying, but i think its being misinterpreted by people, and maybe not wholly explained well on your part.
I understand everyone is influenced by things, thats fine. Politicians should say "we should do this because i feel it is the correct thing to do" and then people either agree or disagree with him, simple as that.
But when you get politicians saying "we should do this because it follows the teachings of my lord and savior jesus christ" or "because krishna says in the book of..." or "the holy prophet of..." etc, etc, then you start getting into bad areas, because instead of debating the subject, it ends up becoming a debate of faith.
By the way seperation of church and state does mean religion, as thats how they spoke back then. Remember, when the country was founded, everyone was christian of some sort (besides the indians), but with many different sects.
Its also not a reference to the Catholic church, as England at the time was Anglican, and many people were fleeing the Anglican Church. |
Every one opinion is equal faith based or not end of story. Saying it isnt is discrimination. Everyone was Christain but did not belong to the Same Church is the point. They did not want another Church like the Anglican Church or Catholic church. They wanted to keep all these donomination from getting to strong and forcing their beliefs on others. There is a difference between church and religion. They mean seperation of Religious institutes. Not a person faith. Religouse Institutes have no place in government any more than lobbyist and special interests groups do. Many middle eastern countires are what people use as examples of what happens when religion takes over. That is false. It is a single donomination of the religion of Islam that has control. Not everyone who is Islamic believs that. I dont know how you want me to explain it any more clearly. Everyone is Equal!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
For some reason, i really dont get what point ur trying to prove here. Im not sure if you believe in religious states or not. You seem to be talking more on individual denomination levels, while im more trying to talk about different religion in general. I understand everyone is equal, i believe that, but the problem with religions is you inherently make certain groups inferior and others superior when you mix them in with politics. |
I believe religious people have a right in politics and religous people have the right to vote for what ever they want no matter what the reason they want it. I believe in a state where your free to believe what ever you want. By saying religion is not allowed in politics you just made a whole group inferior. |
no i didnt. i never said people cant vote the way they want because of their religious beliefs, never said that at all. Im not talking about voting. Im talking about the goverment, not voters. |
let me further elaborate. The reason religion inherently makes groups inferior or superior is because if you dont believe in that religion, you become inferior. Like many christians believe if you dont believe in jesus christ, no matter how good of a person you are, your going to hell. Hell is reserved for "inferior" individuals who werent good enough to get into heaven. Hence, if you dont believe in christ, your inferior. Theres other examples besides christianity.
Another problem i have with religion in goverment is simply this: Theres no why behind a position. "Why do you believe murder is wrong?" "Because its against my religion" Well, that doesnt explain why its wrong. You tell me because its the taking away of human life, destroying of families, creating pain and suffering in friends and family members of the victim, well, thats a why. But just because your religion says so is not an explanation.
Which is another issue. Religion intails beliefs. Goverment runs on ideas. Its practically impossible to have someone change their beliefs, but a lot easier to convince someone to change their mind. If religion was involved in our type of goverment system, it would screech to a halt, because EVERYONE has different beliefs, and nothing would get done. Because instead of focusing on the merits of an argument (such as the example of murder), they are only focusing on their beliefs. Hence, no matter how good an argument is made, you wouldnt be able to change someones mind on it. And, as many people know, a democractic goverment as our own, runs on arguing and compromise.