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Forums - Sony - Jack Tretton Outlines 3 Key Advantages Over Xbox One, PS4 Launch “Biggest in History”

Xenostar on 12 September 2013
nightsurge said:
Zekkyou said:
nightsurge said:

Don't forget that "more powerful" is exaggerated and largely irrelevant as well, as has been proving generation after generation. So really all they have is "cheaper".

And all MS really has is their few extra features and the innovation from Kinect. Otherwise they are pretty much the same and the rest is PR.

You can’t have put much thought into that sentence, seeing as he neither exaggerated anything nor can we know if it's irrelevant.

To exaggerate something you have to define its scale in some way that can't be confirmed as a fact. Just saying "it's more powerful" is not an exaggeration if it's true, which it is and by enough to justify its saying. If he had said “its way more powerful” then the “way” could be perceived as exaggeration, but without it it’s just a statement of fact. The only time he made an exaggeration was about the line-up since he said “biggest most diverse” which makes the statement subject to a scale, thus allowing it to be interpreted as exaggerated.

You also can’t say their power difference is irreverent, as to do that you would need to know everything about both and have seen the results of each over an extended period of time. Seeing as you haven’t done either, I’m sure you can understand the flaw in that too.

It’s also funny you use “generation after generation” as proof of it being irrelevant, seeing as multiple generations have had a more powerful console with a clear advantage.

Anyway, that’s the end of that. Not trying to be rude, just felt like butting in since you seem to make statements like that a lot.

(Sorry if there are any typos etc, it’s 4:15am so I don’t give enough shits to spell check ;P)

 

What was the point of his post? I was making a straight forward comment regarding all the talk around the internet about the PS4 being 50% powerful, not so much just Jacks comment.

But since you went through such a long post just to try and argue semantics, I would argue that the word "more" in more powerful already implies scale and is an easily exaggerated term.

To my other argument, the most powerful system has never "won" a generation. Meaning it was irrelevant for the most part when it came to sales. Obviously it offers other advantages, but in the entire scheme of things, it's irrelevant.


You know whos also never won a generation the most expensive.



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Zekkyou on 12 September 2013
nightsurge said:

What was the point of his post? I was making a straight forward comment regarding all the talk around the internet about the PS4 being 50% powerful, not so much just Jacks comment.

But since you went through such a long post just to try and argue semantics, I would argue that the word "more" in more powerful already implies scale and is an easily exaggerated term.

To my other argument, the most powerful system has never "won" a generation. Meaning it was irrelevant for the most part when it came to sales. Obviously it offers other advantages, but in the entire scheme of things, it's irrelevant.

Not much point per say, just see you often post stuff like that :P Calling people out on it tends to make them think a bit more before posting it again.

And I’m afraid "more" doesn’t count, as like I said, the word has to imply a scale that can’t be confirmed as fact. If the PS4 was even 1% stronger, it would still be a factual statement, though at that point not worth saying :P

That's generally more to do with it being the most expensive when it's the most powerful, but that isn't the case this time. The PS3 also showed the more expensive and the more powerful isn't always going to lose to its main competitor. Wii stilled kicked everyone’s asses though.



MichaelH on 12 September 2013

Actually, he did not claim that PS4 has the best launch lineup. What he said was that PS4 has the biggest and most diverse exclusive lineup of any platform ever launched.

Had he said the biggest and most diverse exclusive launch lineup of any console the criticisms here would be justified. That is not what he said.



nightsurge on 12 September 2013
Zekkyou said:
nightsurge said:

What was the point of his post? I was making a straight forward comment regarding all the talk around the internet about the PS4 being 50% powerful, not so much just Jacks comment.

But since you went through such a long post just to try and argue semantics, I would argue that the word "more" in more powerful already implies scale and is an easily exaggerated term.

To my other argument, the most powerful system has never "won" a generation. Meaning it was irrelevant for the most part when it came to sales. Obviously it offers other advantages, but in the entire scheme of things, it's irrelevant.

Not much point per say, just see you often post stuff like that :P Calling people out on it tends to make them think a bit more before posting it again.

And I’m afraid "more" doesn’t count, as like I said, the word has to imply a scale that can’t be confirmed as fact. If the PS4 was even 1% stronger, it would still be a factual statement, though at that point not worth saying :P

That's generally more to do with it being the most expensive when it's the most powerful, but that isn't the case this time. The PS3 also showed the more expensive and the more powerful isn't always going to lose to its main competitor. Wii stilled kicked everyone’s asses though.

I am curious, though. Can you show me where else I have been making these similar statements? I don't really believe I have been, but perhaps I did not notice. Feel free to PM since this is off topic :)



S.T.A.G.E. on 12 September 2013
MichaelH said:
Actually, he did not claim that PS4 has the best launch lineup. What he said was that PS4 has the biggest and most diverse exclusive lineup of any platform ever launched.

Had he said the biggest and most diverse exclusive launch lineup of any console the criticisms here would be justified. That is not what he said.


This. Even the people at IGN said this as well. Their launch has never been this diverse.



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Dallinor on 12 September 2013

The price is obviously a huge advantage. The momentum and strength of the brand at the moment is another.The power is relevant, because if people can't see a difference, they then look back at the price. The games are subjective.

What I'm curious to see though is can they keep the momentum going. All things point to a strong launch, but what about the next 6 months?



 

Max King of the Wild on 12 September 2013
Dallinor said:
The price is obviously a huge advantage. The momentum and strength of the brand at the moment is another.The power is relevant, because if people can't see a difference, they then look back at the price. The games are subjective.

What I'm curious to see though is can they keep the momentum going. All things point to a strong launch, but what about the next 6 months?


Infamous and japanese launch in february. Id say yes.



S.T.A.G.E. on 12 September 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
Dallinor said:
The price is obviously a huge advantage. The momentum and strength of the brand at the moment is another.The power is relevant, because if people can't see a difference, they then look back at the price. The games are subjective.

What I'm curious to see though is can they keep the momentum going. All things point to a strong launch, but what about the next 6 months?


Infamous and japanese launch in february. Id say yes.


As well as SSM's game and the other half of Naughty Dog's game. I believe it will be Uncharted 4. 



richardhutnik on 12 September 2013
greenmedic88 said:
richardhutnik said:
bananaking21 said:
J_Allard said:
More powerful and cheaper are given.

Launch lineup is great for both consoles due to multiplatform titles. I prefer the MS exclusive launch games like Forza, DR3, and Ryse, but there are plenty of 3rd party titles and Killzone. Anyone who buys either console should be satisfied. I don't think we have seen launch lineups this packed with excellent 3rd party stuff since the DC launch.


this is just like that MS guy saying the Xbox one games are better. what do people think they will say the competing platforms have better exclusives? hellz no

Console partisans will say, no matter what the content is on their console of choice, the launch titles are better than what the competitor had.  Like, if Super Turbo Turkey Puncher 3 were an exclusive title, you would see ONE thread at least heralding how awesome it is, and how some console partisan prefers it over what is on the other consoles.  Even titles with just a logo, one paragraph description, ends up in someone's signature on forums like this (looking at you Agent).

Turkey Puncher is from Doom 3, by the way:

Well, this being said, at least the ONE is launching with a game in the genre the PS4 isn't launching with, and that is a fighting game.

So XB1 is launching with Turkey Puncher? 

Wow. Can I change my pre-order?

Not sure which has it, but if it is the ONE, then it is likely to be Kinect enabled.  I will say that we are DOOMed if Turkey Puncher is seen as a reason to buy a console.