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Adinnieken said:
kitler53 said:

and who's better informed about the ps4/xbone power comparison than a MS first party studio. i was daft for listening to any of those multiplat developers,. what the fuck do they know?!?

So according to you, Valve knows better the power of the PS3, not Naughty Dog.

I'll let that sink in for a bit.

How on earth did you get that from his post? He's said a multiplat dev knows more about the power differences between the two consoles than a first party dev who has never worked on one of the consoles. Your analogy is terrible lol.



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Adinnieken said:
kitler53 said:

and who's better informed about the ps4/xbone power comparison than a MS first party studio. i was daft for listening to any of those multiplat developers,. what the fuck do they know?!?

So according to you, Valve knows better the power of the PS3, not Naughty Dog.

I'll let that sink in for a bit.

No actually according to him and using your scenario, Valve would understand the PS4/Xbox One power comparison and differences better than Naughty Dog.  because 1st party studios have little to no experience with competitor machines.   

Maybe you should have let his comment sink in a bit before calling him out on nothing



selnor1983 said:


Easy tiger. Since ive been back with my eyes open its the funniest place in the world. I dont want them to stop as itz hilarious. 

 

People claim this and that with goggles on. Like I probably used to do. People select quotes from 3rd parties and ignore others. People tKe one set of exclusive developers quote but not the others. 

 

End result. You wont find any real understanding of either console on these pages. None. You will find people who just love games though. 

I'm sorry but what? Unless right here you admit you were a dork with our Forza discussion a while ago, you are the biggest hypocrite out there.



The only thing I got from this article is that people should leave the speculating about hardware and their difference to people who actually know what they are talking about. He never claims that he knows what those differences are if there is any. So everyone attacking him talking about 3rd party developers would know more, while correct, isnt the point of the article. He isnt comparing the PS4 to the Xbox One, he is just saying STFU unless you know what you are talking about and have knowledge on the situation.

Which lets face it, the vast majority of forum posters don't know a damn thing about it.



this has been the point all along, people see bigger numbers but if the numbers are utilised in a different who knows the power is greater



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What astonishes me about this whole debate is that Xbox fans like to downplay actual facts, like confirmed specs, and instead jump on any PR slogan and/or rumors from ANY source, just to latch onto a shred of hope that their console won't underperform against the competition. The cloud (which this guy bringing up, again), barely upclocked CPUs/GPUs, dGPU, their SW engineers are better than Sony, and God knows what next.

It's time to face it guys, the PS4 is more powerful than the One. The systems are built near identical, so it's very easy to compare them this time. Only real difference is that one has much faster RAM and a better GPU, one that pumps out an extra ~500 Gflops (more than 2x what the Wii U is estimated to be capable of). That's no small difference and is larger than the gap between PS3/360. A difference that will become even clearer as developers get a handle on both machines.

Having said that, why should you even care? You have no interest in getting a PS4 and are getting the One for its exclusives, which is totally fine, so just accept it an move on. Instead, we get a bunch of people (I guess) trying to justify their purchase and just spreading FUD about how the differences will barely be noticeable. Don't get me wrong, this will probably be true for multiplats, but it's a totally different story for exclusives.



thismeintiel said:


It's time to face it guys, the PS4 is more powerful than the One. The systems are built near identical, so it's very easy to compare them this time. Only real difference is that one has much faster RAM and a better GPU, one that pumps out an extra ~500 Gflops (more than 2x what the Wii U is estimated to be capable of). That's no small difference and is larger than the gap between PS3/360. A difference that will become even clearer as developers get a handle on both machines.

I know that many Sony fans get giddy over this, but you can´t compare flops between different GPU families and architectures.



Adinnieken said:
kitler53 said:

and who's better informed about the ps4/xbone power comparison than a MS first party studio. i was daft for listening to any of those multiplat developers,. what the fuck do they know?!?

So according to you, Valve knows better the power of the PS3, not Naughty Dog.

I'll let that sink in for a bit.


naught dog certainly doesn't know shit about the power of the 360.   ..so if you actaully read my post then i absolutely have to agree -- valve is far more knowledgeable about the power comparsions between the ps3 and 360..



Ok....so MS Software engineers and their Studios are better than GOD and any force in the planet....


Fine....then is time for them to prove it, because SONY developers kick Microsoft in the face pretty damn hard this Gen....





CGI-Quality said:
HeresHoping said:
The floor is slippery in here from all the Sony juice squirting everywhere! The guy states the facts and all the you guys can do is turn it around on him. This forum shit is getting to be just like highschool all over again. Must be a lot of pain caused by MS from last gen for you guys. Don't blame MS for all of Sony's failings that your mad about from last gen.

Well, here's hoping things improve for you. ;)

OT: What happened when MS said "specs didn't matter"? They've been yapping more about it lately than anyone!

Haven't they been getting questioned about it though? If their getting questioned about it they should answer if they feel like it. Also its not like the person who said specs don't matter represents how everyone at microsoft feels.