MS probably paid for one or two and minecraft is probably one of them but things like braid, limbo, scott pilgram vs the world quite likely went to 360 first simply because the cell was just a cluster fuck.

well, it worked for MS didn't it? 

..having a game go from PC release to not PC release (at launch) certainly is suspicious but i still don't think money has changed hands in most cases.  i honstly think sony's paying for it in nothing more than press releases and a good reputation for a vast majority of them.  in other words,. a good business strategy.

What the fuck? This game probably isn't coming to pc at launch for two reasons:

1: Sony has been so helpfull that the console version is being focused on first. Once they release on playstation, the devs finish up the pc port.

2: Sony is publishing the game in one form or another. Of course it's only releasing on playstation first.

i just don't believe that for many games. and if i start to believe that i also start to believe that ttanfall does only come to pc and xb1 first without microsoft paying for it. or that dead rising and deep down really only come to xb1 and ps4 because microsoft and sony help capcom so much and because a game like dead rising was only possible becaus eof the xb1...

the games was announced last year and is probably almost done on pc. and now they say "exclusive on ps4 and vita in 2014". there is no problem if it will also release on ps4 and vita but nobody can tell me that the pc version wouldn't be also ready.

are you really trying to make a comparision between the 2-man dev team behind Pavilion (the game in the OP in case you don't remember) to international game publishing jugernaughts of EA and Capcom?.. 

first of all your first paragraph is about something microsoft also doesn't have anymore and i'm not even talking about if these games would also come to xbox otherwise. and secondly, i never said that sony wouldn't get all these games otherwise. i said that all these games went from "on pc" or even "on wii u" to "only on playstation" or "first on playstation" and i just don't believe that it is coincidence that all these indie developers did it just for the love to sony.

from their comments it seems like its just another timed indie exclusive, which isnt bad. if they paid them, so what? these guys usually dont have any money or barely do. this would just ensure that they have a safer future, or can help them grow and make better games in the future, which is a good thing. this isnt like when microsoft money hats EA for titanFall. EA has all the money it needs and shits money from games like FiFa and madden that release yearly. these guys dont have the resources to release on all platforms at once, so if Sony does give them some money, markets the game for them and helps them make it whats the big deal? yeah its timed exclusive, that sucks. but you will probably still be getting the game in a matter of months. 

why not? i'm talking about sony and microsoft paying developers. and if sony and microsoft pay developers like capcom which has to cost a lot (and which is obvious with dead rising and deep down)  why exactly should i believe that sony and microsoft never pay indie developers? 

microsoft throws money on titanfall, fifa, dead rising, cod, the division and so on. sony throws money on asscreed, watch_dogs, destiny, deep down and so on...

but believing that they do the same with indie developers is wrong even if the money they need for one game like cod for some timed excluisve dlc would be enough to pay probably 10 indie developers?

You mean helpful by writing out checks?