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Seece said:
TheLastStarFighter said:

You perceive them to be worth their price.  I don't perceive them to be worth it at all, and I think many will agree.  I'm a 360 owner.  I can play essentially everything XBOne has on my 360.  The only new experiences offered of any relevance are Forza 5, Ryse and Killer Instinct.  Maybe Kinect Sports: Rivals.  The most-hyped title of the first 6 months of XBOne is Titanfall, and again, I can get that on my 360.  That exclusive list is even worse than NSMBU, NintendoLand and ZombiU.  And at $200 more than Wii U, only the most hardcore fans will be jumping on XBOne, and they will buy at launch.  Even worse than Wii U, XBOne has the $100 cheaper PS4 offering a similar if not better experience and Wii U at $200 cheaper and offering many of the same games and bunch of exclusive titles.  I could see XBOne sales being dismal in the new year unless there is a price drop.

PS4 I think will do "OK", but it's not completely unrealistic to say its sales may be poor post-launch.  We really need to see how the market responds to new systems.  PS360 are still well supported and there are more entertainment options than ever out there.

Well no you can't, you can't play Dead Rising 3, Ryse, Forza 5, Killer Instinct, Crimson Dragon or Peggle 2 on anything else and that's launch day alone.

I'm sure many do agree with you, but I'm 99% certain more disagree than what have been buying Wiiu's, the X1 and PS4 both have clear target audiences, so just like 360 and PS3 did they won't flounder because they have people willing to put down the cash. You're overthinking the price, if something is hot, popular and has appeal it'll do well at a premium price over cheaper competitors, just look at the smart phone industry.

WiiU doesn't have a clear target demo which is exactly one of the reasons it's in the state it is. The Xbox One isn't going to be struggling with 30k sales a week when the likes of Titanfall (yes I know it's multi, it'll still do 1m+ on X1 in a matter of weeks) and all the other games coming out.

And yes it is unreasonable for you to say that, PS3 never went below 70k in US at any point, despite being $600 and going against a cheaper, popular 360.

Sorry but Xbox One and PS4 are not getting near WiiU levels.

This post is hilarious, because XB360 and PS3 both DID flounder in their first year. Yes, PS3 did go sub 70k.  Yes, price was the major reason consumers rejected PS3 despite it being covetted.

Neither PS360 did as bad as Wii U, but neither of them had to contend strong previous-gen systems getting great mass-market late life major titles like GTA 5 and COD.  XB360 is very popular where I live and I don't know a single owner who is excited for or going to buy XBOne.  THey are excited for GTA or COD:Ghosts. On their 360.

I think both new systems will do fine, especially PS4.  But XBOne is priced too high right now for most people, and most XBox gamers are very content with the 360.  Saying that neither will flounder is far from a certainty.



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Th3PANO said:
Captain_Tom said:

And this is where you and people like you don't get it:   The PS4 and even the Xbox One are insanely more powerful and feature-filled compared to the Wii U.

The PS4:

-Is 10x stronger (Litterally)

-Has over 16x more storage

-Plays Bluerays

-Has incredible multi tasking, social, and streaming capabilities.

 

Now before you say (Again) "But the same goes for the PS3."  I preemptively say: Duh!

 

But the PS3 is:

-$100 cheaper

-Plays Bluerays

-Has a MUCH MUCH MUUUUUUUUCH better network

-Has a vastly larger catalog of games (Oftenly at cheaper prices).

 

Thus the Wii U loses on both fronts.  That is why it is doing so terribly and with a GTAV PS3 bundle coming this holiday I don't see that turning around.

 

P.S. OMG the meltdowns from Nintendo fanboys will be EPIC!!!

And you should know by now that power doesn't mean anything for the average joe.

EDIT: How do you know that the network is so much better lol. Nintendo Network seems fine. I never had a disconnect or lag or anything else. Sorry bro. AAAAAAND I don't have to pay for it in the future.

LOL Ok lets wrap it up, we're done here.

You shouldn't need any proof that PSN and XBL are leagues ahead given the money MS and Sony have put into the infrastructure. Online goes beyond just connecting to games you know?



 



And you should know by now that power doesn't mean anything for the average joe.

EDIT: How do you know that the network is so much better lol. Nintendo Network seems fine. I never had a disconnect or lag or anything else. Sorry bro. AAAAAAND I don't have to pay for it in the future.

LOL Ok lets wrap it up, we're done here.

You shouldn't need any proof that PSN and XBL are leagues ahead given the money MS and Sony have put into the infrastructure. Online goes beyond just connecting to games you know?


I'm not denying that Live has more servers cause it was the main focus for 360. But we will see how well NN works after heavy online multiplayers like MK 8 (gameplay capture feature) and SMASH and the teased new features for Miiverse with an upcoming update. Miiverse is still in it's shoes ;)



Th3PANO said:


 

And you should know by now that power doesn't mean anything for the average joe.

EDIT: How do you know that the network is so much better lol. Nintendo Network seems fine. I never had a disconnect or lag or anything else. Sorry bro. AAAAAAND I don't have to pay for it in the future.

LOL Ok lets wrap it up, we're done here.

You shouldn't need any proof that PSN and XBL are leagues ahead given the money MS and Sony have put into the infrastructure. Online goes beyond just connecting to games you know?


I'm not denying that Live has more servers cause it was the main focus for 360. But we will see how well NN works after heavy online multiplayers like MK 8 (gameplay capture feature) and SMASH and the teased new features for Miiverse with an upcoming update. Miiverse is still in it's shoes ;)

When people talk online they mean more than just stable connection.



 

Captain_Tom said:

People will see Wii U's value after the console transition. $300 + Game vs $400 vs $500 + Game doesn't look so bad if you think about it. Also, the time PS4 and Xbox are launching Wii U will have new and important titles ready. It WILL sell better then now.

What value?  Right now the Wii U is being DESTROYED by the PS3.  The PS3 won't disapear when the PS4 launches.  In fact it is now starting at $200 with room for another price cut in the future...


You could say the same about the new Consoles. It's almost natural that the older consoles outsell the new ones after launch months buddy. And it will happen with PS 4 and Xbox also.

And this is where you and people like you don't get it:   The PS4 and even the Xbox One are insanely more powerful and feature-filled compared to the Wii U.

The PS4:

-Is 10x stronger (Litterally)

-Has over 16x more storage

-Plays Bluerays

-Has incredible multi tasking, social, and streaming capabilities.

 

Now before you say (Again) "But the same goes for the PS3."  I preemptively say: Duh!

 

But the PS3 is:

-$100 cheaper

-Plays Bluerays

-Has a MUCH MUCH MUUUUUUUUCH better network

-Has a vastly larger catalog of games (Oftenly at cheaper prices).

 

Thus the Wii U loses on both fronts.  That is why it is doing so terribly and with a GTAV PS3 bundle coming this holiday I don't see that turning around.

 

P.S. OMG the meltdowns from Nintendo fanboys will be EPIC!!!

You're treading on insanely thin ice here.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

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Th3PANO said:

And you should know by now that power doesn't mean anything for the average joe.


Nonsense. The strongest console has always won, and always will. See:

 

Also, look at the value! The new consoles only do everything!



noname2200 said:
Th3PANO said:

And you should know by now that power doesn't mean anything for the average joe.


Nonsense. The strongest console has always won, and always will. See:

 

Also, look at the value! The new consoles only do everything!

Do you really think PS4 is not going to win this??



 

orniletter said:
prayformojo said:

It's sad watching the company of my youth slowly decay but, times change. Nothing lasts forever.


considering how universally negative you are in every single Nintendo related thread, not much


You need to pay closer attention lol



Seece said:
noname2200 said:
Th3PANO said:

And you should know by now that power doesn't mean anything for the average joe.


Nonsense. The strongest console has always won, and always will. See:

 

Also, look at the value! The new consoles only do everything!

Do you really think PS4 is not going to win this??

I really really really think saying it's going to win because of its superior horsepower displays a hilarious (and by this point entirely willful) ignorance of how the videogame market works.



noname2200 said:
Seece said:
noname2200 said:
Th3PANO said:

And you should know by now that power doesn't mean anything for the average joe.


Nonsense. The strongest console has always won, and always will. See:

 

Also, look at the value! The new consoles only do everything!

Do you really think PS4 is not going to win this??

I really really really think saying it's going to win because of its superior horsepower displays a hilarious (and by this point entirely willful) ignorance of how the videogame market works.

To be fair, Seece has not suggested that it is solely due to power, but more due to the so-far demonstrated demand.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.