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fatslob-:O on 08 November 2013
eyeofcore said:
fatslob-:O said:
eyeofcore said:


My knowledge of English is fine, only speaking has some issues since I don't speak much in English since it is not my native language and claiming that I am contradicting and that I am naive is a fallacy. I may not explain properly what I am trying to say so Il try again to prove your ignorance and people at Anandtech would agree with me and Pemalite did not pwned me, but himself with that post and his own ignorance.

Just because I don't do programming does not mean I can't understand the concept of it.

hUMA has the effect and you are denying it, first of all hUMA has less bottlenecks thus it increases the speed of accessing data thus better communication between CPU and GPU also you can do that in GPGPU yet again some things need to be done on CPU and hUMA allows far more direct communication between CPU and GPU to allow real time processing and showcase of those results thus it is way more correct.

All of things that Microsoft said about Kinect in Xbox One were made possible by hUMA and AMD's slide also indicate that because hUMA rapidly increases execution of tasks and makes programming easier between CPU and GPU, thus you have Bolt and also detecting problems in the code in Open CL should be easier, right?

Just because I can not explain you sometimes properly and just because  you can't think out of the box for a second thus not being narrow minded as a person.

Anyway... I wonder if developers will offload pathfinding to hUMA, it should drastically increase challenges in game eg flanking and that, I am still amazed with original Half Life's AI that flanks me compared to other AI's that mostly just charge like suicide bombers.

@Bold Bwahahahaha. I hope you don't stay too long in their forums cause they probably already getting tired of your lies. 

If you don't do any programming you will fail to understand pemalite's and my perspective of things. 

That second line is epic fail LOL. It shows that you have no understanding of how hUMA truly works!

Kinect was possible without hUMA! Apparently you don't understand what I had meant by massively parallel. 

Your the narrow minded person here! You cannot even get your facts right which suggest you have some seroius issues of understanding anything that happens in the world of complex circuits! 


Yet I don't lie, that is the problem... Just because I don't do any programming that does not mean that I and others can not understand your perspective, I do HTML and that is programming because scripting is also programming in a way, so I can see your point of view also that second line is not a epic fail as you hope so because that is simplified representation of hUMA. Normally it goes something like(the way I see it);

CPU>Cache>System RAM

CPU>Cache<>VRAM/Cache

Your a funny, I did not say Kinect is impossible with hUMA, I said that CERTAIN features to be real time need GPGPU or more better and efficient hUMA that simplifies ways of handling CPU and GPU communication. I may not explain it weel, at least I get the picture while you are blind to see that I get the picture that you are getting just in mere words while at least I can in my thought visualize it while you can't!

You need to stop with your hope of me being a narrow minded person, English is not my primary language so I may not explain to you perfectly yet you claim something that makes you look foolish since anyone can understand with some research, don't deny it...

HTML ? LOLOL. I don't think anyone is going to take you seriosuly. 

@Bold WTF is this horseshit ? (That's some pretty crappy representation of hUMA you got there.) 

*Faceplam*

Who cares about those certain features! What's more is that you didn't understand what I had meant by massively parallel! Geez you call yourself expert but your now your probably veiwed as some clown who can't even get their facts straight. BTW kinect doesn't need hUMA for those *certain features*. 

Your reasearch is so awful my professors would assign you an F for this crap. Your credibility was destroyed ages ago by anandtech forums LMAO. The one foolish is you as evidenced by your posts on anandtech! 

 



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eyeofcore on 08 November 2013
fatslob-:O said:
eyeofcore said:
fatslob-:O said:
eyeofcore said:


My knowledge of English is fine, only speaking has some issues since I don't speak much in English since it is not my native language and claiming that I am contradicting and that I am naive is a fallacy. I may not explain properly what I am trying to say so Il try again to prove your ignorance and people at Anandtech would agree with me and Pemalite did not pwned me, but himself with that post and his own ignorance.

Just because I don't do programming does not mean I can't understand the concept of it.

hUMA has the effect and you are denying it, first of all hUMA has less bottlenecks thus it increases the speed of accessing data thus better communication between CPU and GPU also you can do that in GPGPU yet again some things need to be done on CPU and hUMA allows far more direct communication between CPU and GPU to allow real time processing and showcase of those results thus it is way more correct.

All of things that Microsoft said about Kinect in Xbox One were made possible by hUMA and AMD's slide also indicate that because hUMA rapidly increases execution of tasks and makes programming easier between CPU and GPU, thus you have Bolt and also detecting problems in the code in Open CL should be easier, right?

Just because I can not explain you sometimes properly and just because  you can't think out of the box for a second thus not being narrow minded as a person.

Anyway... I wonder if developers will offload pathfinding to hUMA, it should drastically increase challenges in game eg flanking and that, I am still amazed with original Half Life's AI that flanks me compared to other AI's that mostly just charge like suicide bombers.

@Bold Bwahahahaha. I hope you don't stay too long in their forums cause they probably already getting tired of your lies. 

If you don't do any programming you will fail to understand pemalite's and my perspective of things. 

That second line is epic fail LOL. It shows that you have no understanding of how hUMA truly works!

Kinect was possible without hUMA! Apparently you don't understand what I had meant by massively parallel. 

Your the narrow minded person here! You cannot even get your facts right which suggest you have some seroius issues of understanding anything that happens in the world of complex circuits! 


Yet I don't lie, that is the problem... Just because I don't do any programming that does not mean that I and others can not understand your perspective, I do HTML and that is programming because scripting is also programming in a way, so I can see your point of view also that second line is not a epic fail as you hope so because that is simplified representation of hUMA. Normally it goes something like(the way I see it);

CPU>Cache>System RAM

CPU>Cache<>VRAM/Cache

Your a funny, I did not say Kinect is impossible with hUMA, I said that CERTAIN features to be real time need GPGPU or more better and efficient hUMA that simplifies ways of handling CPU and GPU communication. I may not explain it weel, at least I get the picture while you are blind to see that I get the picture that you are getting just in mere words while at least I can in my thought visualize it while you can't!

You need to stop with your hope of me being a narrow minded person, English is not my primary language so I may not explain to you perfectly yet you claim something that makes you look foolish since anyone can understand with some research, don't deny it...

HTML ? LOLOL. I don't think anyone is going to take you seriosuly. 

@Bold WTF is this horseshit ? (That's some pretty crappy representation of hUMA you got there.) 

*Faceplam*

Who cares about those certain features! What's more is that you didn't understand what I had meant by massively parallel! Geez you call yourself expert but your now your probably veiwed as some clown who can't even get their facts straight. BTW kinect doesn't need hUMA for those *certain features*. 

Your reasearch is so awful my professors would assign you an F for this crap. Your credibility was destroyed ages ago by anandtech forums LMAO. The one foolish is you as evidenced by your posts on anandtech! 

 


I know... At least HTML is something, it is better than nothing...

GPU is doing tasks massivelly parallel... Geez I look at my previous comments and I don't calm myself an expect so stop making things up involving me.

As I said before it does not need, learn to read... I said that if it wants to have it like real time in sync with other features/sensors then it needs GPGPU or hUMA to achieve that with very high accuracy. I did not done much research involving hUMA, your are a creep stalking people and it only shows how desperate are you. I won't feed you anymore GenericBot. Go starve to death.

My credibility is fine compared to yours that states rumors as definitive facts and uses cheap ports to prove it...! You have no credibility.

Using rumors as facts strips all your credibility in very first nanosecond, you are naked like a baby like you just get borned... :3

EDIT; Everyone makes mistakes, if you can't handle the mistakes and if you can't handle that everyone is human then you must be anti social, when everyone looks at your replies, specially involving Nintendo. Your motto is most likely; "nintendooom 4 life" (they facepalm)

Stating rumors as facts equals no credibility and you only rush onto the scene with negativity and negative news... Geez.



fatslob-:O on 08 November 2013
eyeofcore said:
fatslob-:O said:
eyeofcore said:
landguy1 said:
eyeofcore said:
fatslob-:O said:
eyeofcore said:
Both Xbox One and PlayStation 4 has hUMA.

All the features that Xbox One's Kinect can do is indication that it has hUMA because to do all of those things at the same time is only possible with hUMA:

*Facepalm* 

The kinect SOC is likely an ASIC, not exactly what you'd call some generic processor. Everything can be done without hUMA. The memory architecture is only used to improve performance of certain tasks.


*facepalm*

You must be that dumb to think that I don't know that everything can be done without hUMA, are you that dumb/naive?

I said Kinect you imbecile, Xbox One kinect does what original Xbox 360's Kinect can't do and only 10% is allocated to Kinect XO also at the rate it is doing all things the same with just 10% it is only possible with hUMA at that rate to do all of those creepy things. Jesus christ,..

 

Moderated - Kresnik.

You will soon find that if your opinion in any way is not going down the path the the PS4 is all powerful, you will be questioned and harrassed until the end of time on these forums.  Eventually, basic frustration begins and that's when the Sony faithful take advantage of you.  People end up falling off topic and making personal attacks.  If you want to stick around, don't bother to try to debate PS4 vs XB1 power.  Too many Sony supporters here and all of them act like they designed both systems and know better than anyone with a different opinion.

 

OT : I am a supporter of the XB1(even though i did not preorder it or the PS4).  But the facts are the facts at this point.  The PS4 is probably 30% more powerful in graphics capability than the XB1.  The difference is that within 2 years both systems will sadly be way under powered.  They can barely do 1080p now and it will be a steady decline towards 30fps and 720p.  1st party games will be the only ones to do better, but that will be because the designers made choices to reduce other parts of the games to achieve higher resolution or faster framerates.  When everbody complained about the "power of the cloud" on this site, they were very short sighted.  The power of the cloud had better help both systems a few years from now or there will be great dissapointment in our futures.

PlayStation 4 is powerful, but the gap is not that huge and rule of diminishing returns are applied...

Only reason why games on Xbox One and PlayStation 4 would be sub 1080p is because of 3rd party wanting the best visuals and because of game engines that are coded in high level or mid level code rather than low level code like Assemly to use maximum out of the machine, look at Iron Fall for 3DS.

Gap between Xbox One and PlayStation 4 is not huge by any standards at these power levels, it that was like with Genesis versus SNES then 30% made a huge difference yet the more performance you have the less you can do as you increase resolution, drawing distance and other things.

I could go chatting about this for days.

Who the hell cares about low level code. People like you are an enemy to developers because you demand idiotic things to be done by a developer such as low level programming when they clearly don't have the time to bother. Now I know how it feels like for a developer to get flak from sony and nintendo fanbases. 

@Bold You probably couldn't because you don't understand any of this stuff. 


You just proved that you are lazy... xD

People like me demand quality and game engines that are efficient, so are we dumb because we give flak Betsheda for not implementing a simple thing as SSE instruction set that is in CPU's since like 1999 or 2000 so our demand for higher quality is idiotic and you aproove mediocrity in video game industry and you say they clearly don't have the time to bother yet they primarily rush their games with glitches, bugs and game breaking bug...

Only reason why developers don't have "time" to do it because they are lazy, they can do it, they can take the time to do it yet they don't take the needed time. Developers like VD Dev and Shin'en prove you wrong and you don't know a bit how it feels like a developer nor do I so we can only dream about how it is ultil you and/or me get in the video game industry.

So you are basically saying that Sony fanbase should have been quite while 3rd party developers put poorly made ports with glitches, bugs, game breaking bugs that they were getting from 2006 to as late as 2010? Same for Nintendo fanbase, should they put up on poorly made ports that are cheap and that do not utilize the hardware? So you say yes to type of games that caused the Video Game Crash Of 1983?! You fail.

Keep underestimating people, it will backfire in your face that you will be shocked...

You just proved your some scripter. 

Demand quality ? Ok if you want to have less content in games then that's fine with me. I'm the one asking for mediocrity when you yourself don't have any actual programming experience ?! Yeah ok there buddy. /sarcasm

Wow you seriously underestimate game development don't you ? What did shin'en do to prove me wrong ? They bought out an indie game for christs sakes. As for VD Dev they'll be out of business in no time for creating crap like COP recruit. LOL a 55 on metacrtic must means that the devs must suck really hard. 

It's sony's fault, simples as that. The same goes for nintendo. Your the one rooting those type of games LOL. If you root for a developer like VD Dev then I have nothing to say since your the one who wants more crap not me. 



fatslob-:O on 08 November 2013
eyeofcore said:
fatslob-:O said:
eyeofcore said:
fatslob-:O said:
eyeofcore said:


My knowledge of English is fine, only speaking has some issues since I don't speak much in English since it is not my native language and claiming that I am contradicting and that I am naive is a fallacy. I may not explain properly what I am trying to say so Il try again to prove your ignorance and people at Anandtech would agree with me and Pemalite did not pwned me, but himself with that post and his own ignorance.

Just because I don't do programming does not mean I can't understand the concept of it.

hUMA has the effect and you are denying it, first of all hUMA has less bottlenecks thus it increases the speed of accessing data thus better communication between CPU and GPU also you can do that in GPGPU yet again some things need to be done on CPU and hUMA allows far more direct communication between CPU and GPU to allow real time processing and showcase of those results thus it is way more correct.

All of things that Microsoft said about Kinect in Xbox One were made possible by hUMA and AMD's slide also indicate that because hUMA rapidly increases execution of tasks and makes programming easier between CPU and GPU, thus you have Bolt and also detecting problems in the code in Open CL should be easier, right?

Just because I can not explain you sometimes properly and just because  you can't think out of the box for a second thus not being narrow minded as a person.

Anyway... I wonder if developers will offload pathfinding to hUMA, it should drastically increase challenges in game eg flanking and that, I am still amazed with original Half Life's AI that flanks me compared to other AI's that mostly just charge like suicide bombers.

@Bold Bwahahahaha. I hope you don't stay too long in their forums cause they probably already getting tired of your lies. 

If you don't do any programming you will fail to understand pemalite's and my perspective of things. 

That second line is epic fail LOL. It shows that you have no understanding of how hUMA truly works!

Kinect was possible without hUMA! Apparently you don't understand what I had meant by massively parallel. 

Your the narrow minded person here! You cannot even get your facts right which suggest you have some seroius issues of understanding anything that happens in the world of complex circuits! 


Yet I don't lie, that is the problem... Just because I don't do any programming that does not mean that I and others can not understand your perspective, I do HTML and that is programming because scripting is also programming in a way, so I can see your point of view also that second line is not a epic fail as you hope so because that is simplified representation of hUMA. Normally it goes something like(the way I see it);

CPU>Cache>System RAM

CPU>Cache<>VRAM/Cache

Your a funny, I did not say Kinect is impossible with hUMA, I said that CERTAIN features to be real time need GPGPU or more better and efficient hUMA that simplifies ways of handling CPU and GPU communication. I may not explain it weel, at least I get the picture while you are blind to see that I get the picture that you are getting just in mere words while at least I can in my thought visualize it while you can't!

You need to stop with your hope of me being a narrow minded person, English is not my primary language so I may not explain to you perfectly yet you claim something that makes you look foolish since anyone can understand with some research, don't deny it...

HTML ? LOLOL. I don't think anyone is going to take you seriosuly. 

@Bold WTF is this horseshit ? (That's some pretty crappy representation of hUMA you got there.) 

*Faceplam*

Who cares about those certain features! What's more is that you didn't understand what I had meant by massively parallel! Geez you call yourself expert but your now your probably veiwed as some clown who can't even get their facts straight. BTW kinect doesn't need hUMA for those *certain features*. 

Your reasearch is so awful my professors would assign you an F for this crap. Your credibility was destroyed ages ago by anandtech forums LMAO. The one foolish is you as evidenced by your posts on anandtech! 

 


I know... At least HTML is something, it is better than nothing...

GPU is doing tasks massivelly parallel... Geez I look at my previous comments and I don't calm myself an expect so stop making things up involving me.

As I said before it does not need, learn to read... I said that if it wants to have it like real time in sync with other features/sensors then it needs GPGPU or hUMA to achieve that with very high accuracy. I did not done much research involving hUMA, your are a creep stalking people and it only shows how desperate are you. I won't feed you anymore GenericBot. Go starve to death.

My credibility is fine compared to yours that states rumors as definitive facts and uses cheap ports to prove it...! You have no credibility.

Using rumors as facts strips all your credibility in very first nanosecond, you are naked like a baby like you just get borned... :3

EDIT; Everyone makes mistakes, if you can't handle the mistakes and if you can't handle that everyone is human then you must be anti social, when everyone looks at your replies, specially involving Nintendo. Your motto is most likely; "nintendooom 4 life" (they facepalm)

Stating rumors as facts equals no credibility and you only rush onto the scene with negativity and negative news... Geez.

LOLOL whatever you say makes you sleep at night. 

Hehehe. Kinect doesn't require hUMA. If you didn't know joint detection was massively parallel in the first place! It didn't need hUMA at all. YOu further showed more ignorance than I originally thought. 

Saying I have no credibility when you get ripped by others anandtech is a fine example of an oxymoron LOL.

Your the one spreading rumors here. I'm just here to evaluate them as I wish.

LMAO at the rest of your post. 



eyeofcore on 08 November 2013
fatslob-:O said:
eyeofcore said:
fatslob-:O said:
eyeofcore said:
landguy1 said:
eyeofcore said:
fatslob-:O said:
eyeofcore said:
Both Xbox One and PlayStation 4 has hUMA.

All the features that Xbox One's Kinect can do is indication that it has hUMA because to do all of those things at the same time is only possible with hUMA:

*Facepalm* 

The kinect SOC is likely an ASIC, not exactly what you'd call some generic processor. Everything can be done without hUMA. The memory architecture is only used to improve performance of certain tasks.


*facepalm*

You must be that dumb to think that I don't know that everything can be done without hUMA, are you that dumb/naive?

I said Kinect you imbecile, Xbox One kinect does what original Xbox 360's Kinect can't do and only 10% is allocated to Kinect XO also at the rate it is doing all things the same with just 10% it is only possible with hUMA at that rate to do all of those creepy things. Jesus christ,..

 

Moderated - Kresnik.

You will soon find that if your opinion in any way is not going down the path the the PS4 is all powerful, you will be questioned and harrassed until the end of time on these forums.  Eventually, basic frustration begins and that's when the Sony faithful take advantage of you.  People end up falling off topic and making personal attacks.  If you want to stick around, don't bother to try to debate PS4 vs XB1 power.  Too many Sony supporters here and all of them act like they designed both systems and know better than anyone with a different opinion.

 

OT : I am a supporter of the XB1(even though i did not preorder it or the PS4).  But the facts are the facts at this point.  The PS4 is probably 30% more powerful in graphics capability than the XB1.  The difference is that within 2 years both systems will sadly be way under powered.  They can barely do 1080p now and it will be a steady decline towards 30fps and 720p.  1st party games will be the only ones to do better, but that will be because the designers made choices to reduce other parts of the games to achieve higher resolution or faster framerates.  When everbody complained about the "power of the cloud" on this site, they were very short sighted.  The power of the cloud had better help both systems a few years from now or there will be great dissapointment in our futures.

PlayStation 4 is powerful, but the gap is not that huge and rule of diminishing returns are applied...

Only reason why games on Xbox One and PlayStation 4 would be sub 1080p is because of 3rd party wanting the best visuals and because of game engines that are coded in high level or mid level code rather than low level code like Assemly to use maximum out of the machine, look at Iron Fall for 3DS.

Gap between Xbox One and PlayStation 4 is not huge by any standards at these power levels, it that was like with Genesis versus SNES then 30% made a huge difference yet the more performance you have the less you can do as you increase resolution, drawing distance and other things.

I could go chatting about this for days.

Who the hell cares about low level code. People like you are an enemy to developers because you demand idiotic things to be done by a developer such as low level programming when they clearly don't have the time to bother. Now I know how it feels like for a developer to get flak from sony and nintendo fanbases. 

@Bold You probably couldn't because you don't understand any of this stuff. 


You just proved that you are lazy... xD

People like me demand quality and game engines that are efficient, so are we dumb because we give flak Betsheda for not implementing a simple thing as SSE instruction set that is in CPU's since like 1999 or 2000 so our demand for higher quality is idiotic and you aproove mediocrity in video game industry and you say they clearly don't have the time to bother yet they primarily rush their games with glitches, bugs and game breaking bug...

Only reason why developers don't have "time" to do it because they are lazy, they can do it, they can take the time to do it yet they don't take the needed time. Developers like VD Dev and Shin'en prove you wrong and you don't know a bit how it feels like a developer nor do I so we can only dream about how it is ultil you and/or me get in the video game industry.

So you are basically saying that Sony fanbase should have been quite while 3rd party developers put poorly made ports with glitches, bugs, game breaking bugs that they were getting from 2006 to as late as 2010? Same for Nintendo fanbase, should they put up on poorly made ports that are cheap and that do not utilize the hardware? So you say yes to type of games that caused the Video Game Crash Of 1983?! You fail.

Keep underestimating people, it will backfire in your face that you will be shocked...

You just proved your some scripter. 

Demand quality ? Ok if you want to have less content in games then that's fine with me. I'm the one asking for mediocrity when you yourself don't have any actual programming experience ?! Yeah ok there buddy. /sarcasm

Wow you seriously underestimate game development don't you ? What did shin'en do to prove me wrong ? They bought out an indie game for christs sakes. As for VD Dev they'll be out of business in no time for creating crap like COP recruit. LOL a 55 on metacrtic must means that the devs must suck really hard. 

It's sony's fault, simples as that. The same goes for nintendo. Your the one rooting those type of games LOL. If you root for a developer like VD Dev then I have nothing to say since your the one who wants more crap not me. 


Main problem is that major publishers want develop games under a year and that is way too short for developing the game, doing optimizations and specially if developing new features and engines. I know time is money and companies need to survive, but the quality of games got worser, it is not like 6th generation where you could still make a relatively cheap and large game and make gangbusters.

I know that programming is hard and it needs a lot of math, knowledge involving hardware and documents about the hardware... What ever...

You are funny, stop forcing a premise that is not valid, I don't underestimate it. I am saying that there should be some standard and quality control, why is so hard for them to delay a game for a month or two to solve some major issues. Look at Battlefield 4, it is literally a clusterf****. Wow... Shin'en are tech wizards, look at Iridion, Jet Rocket and FAST Racing League that is like 40MB yet it has a lot of content and replay value.

Too bad you don't know VD Dev, they are more of tech guys than really game developers. COP Recruit DS is made by them and published and funded by Ubisoft and just because their game got low scores does not mean their game engine and tech is terrible. Look at COP Recruit DS on youtube, search it up, it is fully open world game on DS and DS is weaker than PSP and tell me that it is not impressive, now look at Iron Fall for 3DS and say that it is not impressive for 3DS game and that it does not look like a Vita game.

So its Sony's fault for 3rd party making buggy games with glitches and game breaking bugs? Also for Nintendo? Does Nintendo and Sony control 3rd party developers, do they developer those game in their place? No... You exposed yourself, you are ignorant and have no credibility and you are rooting for those types of games and you claim the very thing that you are doing except I root for VD Dev because they excel over majority of 3rd party developers at their tech, by your logic Crytek is crap... lmao

I won't feed you... Go away GenericBot. Starve.



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fatslob-:O on 08 November 2013
eyeofcore said:
fatslob-:O said:
eyeofcore said:
fatslob-:O said:
eyeofcore said:
landguy1 said:
eyeofcore said:
fatslob-:O said:
eyeofcore said:
Both Xbox One and PlayStation 4 has hUMA.

All the features that Xbox One's Kinect can do is indication that it has hUMA because to do all of those things at the same time is only possible with hUMA:

*Facepalm* 

The kinect SOC is likely an ASIC, not exactly what you'd call some generic processor. Everything can be done without hUMA. The memory architecture is only used to improve performance of certain tasks.


*facepalm*

You must be that dumb to think that I don't know that everything can be done without hUMA, are you that dumb/naive?

I said Kinect you imbecile, Xbox One kinect does what original Xbox 360's Kinect can't do and only 10% is allocated to Kinect XO also at the rate it is doing all things the same with just 10% it is only possible with hUMA at that rate to do all of those creepy things. Jesus christ,..

 

Moderated - Kresnik.

You will soon find that if your opinion in any way is not going down the path the the PS4 is all powerful, you will be questioned and harrassed until the end of time on these forums.  Eventually, basic frustration begins and that's when the Sony faithful take advantage of you.  People end up falling off topic and making personal attacks.  If you want to stick around, don't bother to try to debate PS4 vs XB1 power.  Too many Sony supporters here and all of them act like they designed both systems and know better than anyone with a different opinion.

 

OT : I am a supporter of the XB1(even though i did not preorder it or the PS4).  But the facts are the facts at this point.  The PS4 is probably 30% more powerful in graphics capability than the XB1.  The difference is that within 2 years both systems will sadly be way under powered.  They can barely do 1080p now and it will be a steady decline towards 30fps and 720p.  1st party games will be the only ones to do better, but that will be because the designers made choices to reduce other parts of the games to achieve higher resolution or faster framerates.  When everbody complained about the "power of the cloud" on this site, they were very short sighted.  The power of the cloud had better help both systems a few years from now or there will be great dissapointment in our futures.

PlayStation 4 is powerful, but the gap is not that huge and rule of diminishing returns are applied...

Only reason why games on Xbox One and PlayStation 4 would be sub 1080p is because of 3rd party wanting the best visuals and because of game engines that are coded in high level or mid level code rather than low level code like Assemly to use maximum out of the machine, look at Iron Fall for 3DS.

Gap between Xbox One and PlayStation 4 is not huge by any standards at these power levels, it that was like with Genesis versus SNES then 30% made a huge difference yet the more performance you have the less you can do as you increase resolution, drawing distance and other things.

I could go chatting about this for days.

Who the hell cares about low level code. People like you are an enemy to developers because you demand idiotic things to be done by a developer such as low level programming when they clearly don't have the time to bother. Now I know how it feels like for a developer to get flak from sony and nintendo fanbases. 

@Bold You probably couldn't because you don't understand any of this stuff. 


You just proved that you are lazy... xD

People like me demand quality and game engines that are efficient, so are we dumb because we give flak Betsheda for not implementing a simple thing as SSE instruction set that is in CPU's since like 1999 or 2000 so our demand for higher quality is idiotic and you aproove mediocrity in video game industry and you say they clearly don't have the time to bother yet they primarily rush their games with glitches, bugs and game breaking bug...

Only reason why developers don't have "time" to do it because they are lazy, they can do it, they can take the time to do it yet they don't take the needed time. Developers like VD Dev and Shin'en prove you wrong and you don't know a bit how it feels like a developer nor do I so we can only dream about how it is ultil you and/or me get in the video game industry.

So you are basically saying that Sony fanbase should have been quite while 3rd party developers put poorly made ports with glitches, bugs, game breaking bugs that they were getting from 2006 to as late as 2010? Same for Nintendo fanbase, should they put up on poorly made ports that are cheap and that do not utilize the hardware? So you say yes to type of games that caused the Video Game Crash Of 1983?! You fail.

Keep underestimating people, it will backfire in your face that you will be shocked...

You just proved your some scripter. 

Demand quality ? Ok if you want to have less content in games then that's fine with me. I'm the one asking for mediocrity when you yourself don't have any actual programming experience ?! Yeah ok there buddy. /sarcasm

Wow you seriously underestimate game development don't you ? What did shin'en do to prove me wrong ? They bought out an indie game for christs sakes. As for VD Dev they'll be out of business in no time for creating crap like COP recruit. LOL a 55 on metacrtic must means that the devs must suck really hard. 

It's sony's fault, simples as that. The same goes for nintendo. Your the one rooting those type of games LOL. If you root for a developer like VD Dev then I have nothing to say since your the one who wants more crap not me. 


Main problem is that major publishers want develop games under a year and that is way too short for developing the game, doing optimizations and specially if developing new features and engines. I know time is money and companies need to survive, but the quality of games got worser, it is not like 6th generation where you could still make a relatively cheap and large game and make gangbusters.

I know that programming is hard and it needs a lot of math, knowledge involving hardware and documents about the hardware... What ever...

You are funny, stop forcing a premise that is not valid, I don't underestimate it. I am saying that there should be some standard and quality control, why is so hard for them to delay a game for a month or two to solve some major issues. Look at Battlefield 4, it is literally a clusterf****. Wow... Shin'en are tech wizards, look at Iridion, Jet Rocket and FAST Racing League that is like 40MB yet it has a lot of content and replay value.

Too bad you don't know VD Dev, they are more of tech guys than really game developers. COP Recruit DS is made by them and published and funded by Ubisoft and just because their game got low scores does not mean their game engine and tech is terrible. Look at COP Recruit DS on youtube, search it up, it is fully open world game on DS and DS is weaker than PSP and tell me that it is not impressive, now look at Iron Fall for 3DS and say that it is not impressive for 3DS game and that it does not look like a Vita game.

So its Sony's fault for 3rd party making buggy games with glitches and game breaking bugs? Also for Nintendo? Does Nintendo and Sony control 3rd party developers, do they developer those game in their place? No... You exposed yourself, you are ignorant and have no credibility and you are rooting for those types of games and you claim the very thing that you are doing except I root for VD Dev because they excel over majority of 3rd party developers at their tech, by your logic Crytek is crap... lmao

I won't feed you... Go away GenericBot. Starve.

@Bold You keep taking the bite everytime LOLOL. It's like your denial about the truth. Bring on hate to the table. 



avais1993 on 08 November 2013

I seriously don't know whats going on in this thread anymore, it's an interesting read though



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eyeofcore on 08 November 2013
fatslob-:O said:
eyeofcore said:
fatslob-:O said:
eyeofcore said:
fatslob-:O said:
eyeofcore said:


My knowledge of English is fine, only speaking has some issues since I don't speak much in English since it is not my native language and claiming that I am contradicting and that I am naive is a fallacy. I may not explain properly what I am trying to say so Il try again to prove your ignorance and people at Anandtech would agree with me and Pemalite did not pwned me, but himself with that post and his own ignorance.

Just because I don't do programming does not mean I can't understand the concept of it.

hUMA has the effect and you are denying it, first of all hUMA has less bottlenecks thus it increases the speed of accessing data thus better communication between CPU and GPU also you can do that in GPGPU yet again some things need to be done on CPU and hUMA allows far more direct communication between CPU and GPU to allow real time processing and showcase of those results thus it is way more correct.

All of things that Microsoft said about Kinect in Xbox One were made possible by hUMA and AMD's slide also indicate that because hUMA rapidly increases execution of tasks and makes programming easier between CPU and GPU, thus you have Bolt and also detecting problems in the code in Open CL should be easier, right?

Just because I can not explain you sometimes properly and just because  you can't think out of the box for a second thus not being narrow minded as a person.

Anyway... I wonder if developers will offload pathfinding to hUMA, it should drastically increase challenges in game eg flanking and that, I am still amazed with original Half Life's AI that flanks me compared to other AI's that mostly just charge like suicide bombers.

@Bold Bwahahahaha. I hope you don't stay too long in their forums cause they probably already getting tired of your lies. 

If you don't do any programming you will fail to understand pemalite's and my perspective of things. 

That second line is epic fail LOL. It shows that you have no understanding of how hUMA truly works!

Kinect was possible without hUMA! Apparently you don't understand what I had meant by massively parallel. 

Your the narrow minded person here! You cannot even get your facts right which suggest you have some seroius issues of understanding anything that happens in the world of complex circuits! 


Yet I don't lie, that is the problem... Just because I don't do any programming that does not mean that I and others can not understand your perspective, I do HTML and that is programming because scripting is also programming in a way, so I can see your point of view also that second line is not a epic fail as you hope so because that is simplified representation of hUMA. Normally it goes something like(the way I see it);

CPU>Cache>System RAM

CPU>Cache<>VRAM/Cache

Your a funny, I did not say Kinect is impossible with hUMA, I said that CERTAIN features to be real time need GPGPU or more better and efficient hUMA that simplifies ways of handling CPU and GPU communication. I may not explain it weel, at least I get the picture while you are blind to see that I get the picture that you are getting just in mere words while at least I can in my thought visualize it while you can't!

You need to stop with your hope of me being a narrow minded person, English is not my primary language so I may not explain to you perfectly yet you claim something that makes you look foolish since anyone can understand with some research, don't deny it...

HTML ? LOLOL. I don't think anyone is going to take you seriosuly. 

@Bold WTF is this horseshit ? (That's some pretty crappy representation of hUMA you got there.) 

*Faceplam*

Who cares about those certain features! What's more is that you didn't understand what I had meant by massively parallel! Geez you call yourself expert but your now your probably veiwed as some clown who can't even get their facts straight. BTW kinect doesn't need hUMA for those *certain features*. 

Your reasearch is so awful my professors would assign you an F for this crap. Your credibility was destroyed ages ago by anandtech forums LMAO. The one foolish is you as evidenced by your posts on anandtech! 

 


I know... At least HTML is something, it is better than nothing...

GPU is doing tasks massivelly parallel... Geez I look at my previous comments and I don't calm myself an expect so stop making things up involving me.

As I said before it does not need, learn to read... I said that if it wants to have it like real time in sync with other features/sensors then it needs GPGPU or hUMA to achieve that with very high accuracy. I did not done much research involving hUMA, your are a creep stalking people and it only shows how desperate are you. I won't feed you anymore GenericBot. Go starve to death.

My credibility is fine compared to yours that states rumors as definitive facts and uses cheap ports to prove it...! You have no credibility.

Using rumors as facts strips all your credibility in very first nanosecond, you are naked like a baby like you just get borned... :3

EDIT; Everyone makes mistakes, if you can't handle the mistakes and if you can't handle that everyone is human then you must be anti social, when everyone looks at your replies, specially involving Nintendo. Your motto is most likely; "nintendooom 4 life" (they facepalm)

Stating rumors as facts equals no credibility and you only rush onto the scene with negativity and negative news... Geez.

LOLOL whatever you say makes you sleep at night. 

Hehehe. Kinect doesn't require hUMA. If you didn't know joint detection was massively parallel in the first place! It didn't need hUMA at all. YOu further showed more ignorance than I originally thought. 

Saying I have no credibility when you get ripped by others anandtech is a fine example of an oxymoron LOL.

Your the one spreading rumors here. I'm just here to evaluate them as I wish.

LMAO at the rest of your post. 

Don't you say that to yourself every single day? lol

For the last time, I did not say that Kinect has hUMA, can't you read, are you blind or something? Xbox 360 does not support GPGPU so Kinect on Xbox 360 was done on CPU right?! Again, Kinect does not require hUMA yet I am just saying that bunch of those features need something fast that allows higher efficiency of usage of resources. Xbox One architecture suggests hUMA so I doubt Microsoft would not be using hUMA in kinect, specially with the advanced features and to reduce usage of resources and it is only 10% allocated and dedicated for Kinect otherwise it would be more.

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/164934-xbox-one-bus-bandwidths-graphics-capabilities-and-odd-soc-architecture-confirmed-by-microsoft

You have no credibility, you stated rumors as facts no matter how many times you have been proven wrong, that was like months ago and it is past, do you see me digging on the internet trying to uncover a tid bits about you like a stalker? No... I did not state that as facts, it was all speculations and I gathered what was available on the net then I came there for opinion and then couple of sony/xbox/pc elitists came in the thread derailing.

Just because someone says good things about Wii U, Nintendo anything related does not mean that the person has no credibility and that it is a Nintendo fanboy. So anyone saying one bit of good news involving/related to Nintendo is all of the sudden Nintendo fanboy, right? That is your logic.

So AMD's and Microsoft's slide lie? Wow... xD

You don't have right to evaluvate, you are here the hypocrite and have no credibility when you stated rumors as facts... lmao



Max King of the Wild on 08 November 2013
avais1993 said:
I seriously don't know whats going on in this thread anymore, it's an interesting read though


I'm so sorry.



fatslob-:O on 08 November 2013
eyeofcore said:
fatslob-:O said:
eyeofcore said:
fatslob-:O said:
eyeofcore said:
fatslob-:O said:
eyeofcore said:


My knowledge of English is fine, only speaking has some issues since I don't speak much in English since it is not my native language and claiming that I am contradicting and that I am naive is a fallacy. I may not explain properly what I am trying to say so Il try again to prove your ignorance and people at Anandtech would agree with me and Pemalite did not pwned me, but himself with that post and his own ignorance.

Just because I don't do programming does not mean I can't understand the concept of it.

hUMA has the effect and you are denying it, first of all hUMA has less bottlenecks thus it increases the speed of accessing data thus better communication between CPU and GPU also you can do that in GPGPU yet again some things need to be done on CPU and hUMA allows far more direct communication between CPU and GPU to allow real time processing and showcase of those results thus it is way more correct.

All of things that Microsoft said about Kinect in Xbox One were made possible by hUMA and AMD's slide also indicate that because hUMA rapidly increases execution of tasks and makes programming easier between CPU and GPU, thus you have Bolt and also detecting problems in the code in Open CL should be easier, right?

Just because I can not explain you sometimes properly and just because  you can't think out of the box for a second thus not being narrow minded as a person.

Anyway... I wonder if developers will offload pathfinding to hUMA, it should drastically increase challenges in game eg flanking and that, I am still amazed with original Half Life's AI that flanks me compared to other AI's that mostly just charge like suicide bombers.

@Bold Bwahahahaha. I hope you don't stay too long in their forums cause they probably already getting tired of your lies. 

If you don't do any programming you will fail to understand pemalite's and my perspective of things. 

That second line is epic fail LOL. It shows that you have no understanding of how hUMA truly works!

Kinect was possible without hUMA! Apparently you don't understand what I had meant by massively parallel. 

Your the narrow minded person here! You cannot even get your facts right which suggest you have some seroius issues of understanding anything that happens in the world of complex circuits! 


Yet I don't lie, that is the problem... Just because I don't do any programming that does not mean that I and others can not understand your perspective, I do HTML and that is programming because scripting is also programming in a way, so I can see your point of view also that second line is not a epic fail as you hope so because that is simplified representation of hUMA. Normally it goes something like(the way I see it);

CPU>Cache>System RAM

CPU>Cache<>VRAM/Cache

Your a funny, I did not say Kinect is impossible with hUMA, I said that CERTAIN features to be real time need GPGPU or more better and efficient hUMA that simplifies ways of handling CPU and GPU communication. I may not explain it weel, at least I get the picture while you are blind to see that I get the picture that you are getting just in mere words while at least I can in my thought visualize it while you can't!

You need to stop with your hope of me being a narrow minded person, English is not my primary language so I may not explain to you perfectly yet you claim something that makes you look foolish since anyone can understand with some research, don't deny it...

HTML ? LOLOL. I don't think anyone is going to take you seriosuly. 

@Bold WTF is this horseshit ? (That's some pretty crappy representation of hUMA you got there.) 

*Faceplam*

Who cares about those certain features! What's more is that you didn't understand what I had meant by massively parallel! Geez you call yourself expert but your now your probably veiwed as some clown who can't even get their facts straight. BTW kinect doesn't need hUMA for those *certain features*. 

Your reasearch is so awful my professors would assign you an F for this crap. Your credibility was destroyed ages ago by anandtech forums LMAO. The one foolish is you as evidenced by your posts on anandtech! 

 


I know... At least HTML is something, it is better than nothing...

GPU is doing tasks massivelly parallel... Geez I look at my previous comments and I don't calm myself an expect so stop making things up involving me.

As I said before it does not need, learn to read... I said that if it wants to have it like real time in sync with other features/sensors then it needs GPGPU or hUMA to achieve that with very high accuracy. I did not done much research involving hUMA, your are a creep stalking people and it only shows how desperate are you. I won't feed you anymore GenericBot. Go starve to death.

My credibility is fine compared to yours that states rumors as definitive facts and uses cheap ports to prove it...! You have no credibility.

Using rumors as facts strips all your credibility in very first nanosecond, you are naked like a baby like you just get borned... :3

EDIT; Everyone makes mistakes, if you can't handle the mistakes and if you can't handle that everyone is human then you must be anti social, when everyone looks at your replies, specially involving Nintendo. Your motto is most likely; "nintendooom 4 life" (they facepalm)

Stating rumors as facts equals no credibility and you only rush onto the scene with negativity and negative news... Geez.

LOLOL whatever you say makes you sleep at night. 

Hehehe. Kinect doesn't require hUMA. If you didn't know joint detection was massively parallel in the first place! It didn't need hUMA at all. YOu further showed more ignorance than I originally thought. 

Saying I have no credibility when you get ripped by others anandtech is a fine example of an oxymoron LOL.

Your the one spreading rumors here. I'm just here to evaluate them as I wish.

LMAO at the rest of your post. 

Don't you say that to yourself every single day? lol

For the last time, I did not say that Kinect has hUMA, can't you read, are you blind or something? Xbox 360 does not support GPGPU so Kinect on Xbox 360 was done on CPU right?! Again, Kinect does not require hUMA yet I am just saying that bunch of those features need something fast that allows higher efficiency of usage of resources. Xbox One architecture suggests hUMA so I doubt Microsoft would not be using hUMA in kinect, specially with the advanced features and to reduce usage of resources and it is only 10% allocated and dedicated for Kinect otherwise it would be more.

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/164934-xbox-one-bus-bandwidths-graphics-capabilities-and-odd-soc-architecture-confirmed-by-microsoft

You have no credibility, you stated rumors as facts no matter how many times you have been proven wrong, that was like months ago and it is past, do you see me digging on the internet trying to uncover a tid bits about you like a stalker? No... I did not state that as facts, it was all speculations and I gathered what was available on the net then I came there for opinion and then couple of sony/xbox/pc elitists came in the thread derailing.

Just because someone says good things about Wii U, Nintendo anything related does not mean that the person has no credibility and that it is a Nintendo fanboy. So anyone saying one bit of good news involving/related to Nintendo is all of the sudden Nintendo fanboy, right? That is your logic.

So AMD's and Microsoft's slide lie? Wow... xD

You don't have right to evaluvate, you are here the hypocrite and have no credibility when you stated rumors as facts... lmao

@Bold Yeap you really don't know any english. :=|

Wow you really proved you couldn't read diagrams LOL. Your english might be of an issue to do so. 

I'm the one with no credibility when you yourself was getting destroyed at anandtech and what's more is that you got the same answer here LOL It looks like the one that needs some learning is you!

You can't even read a slide properly LOL.

Damn that hate must be getting to you bra.