The big investors are in it for the long hall, they will care about any loss that was big enough to still not have been off set after 5 years (far from it in fact). The original Xbox lost more money than it made. The 360 has also lost more money than it made. If MS made a large loss off the xbox brand 3 generations in a row, of course investors are going to intervene.

Sony is in a slimier situation with the PS3 (lost about the same amount this gen, I think a bit more), but they have shown in the past with the PS1 and PS2 that it can make money of it's brand, MS have yet to do that. I'm simply pointing out that if MS over spend and then can't deliver, they are going to be forced to either leave the business or find an alternate root. Likewise if the PS4 is a commercial failure, Sony will likely have to do the same.

Wrong.

They made a huge loss in the first generation, investors were pissed, the early days of the 360 were also bad, but the last 6 years have been profitable. You're clutching at straws here. As long as MS maintain a shred of profit (and given like kowen pointed out they're profiting $1b a year right now) investors have no reason to even sniff around the division.

Again, wrong, they've shown over the last 6 years they can make profit, dude have you heard yourself?? Your reasoning is desperate.

The last bit about MS being forced to leave the business, laughable, they're not going to be making billions of losses, like I just said they've showed they can right the ship with the 360, first couple of years saw disasterous losses but for the majority of this gen they've profited.

I come from the future.

It's UDK for indies.

EDIT: NVM - PDT Timezone

15 minutes.

UT4 please.

Is there a link to watch this thing or do we just have to wait for articles?

So where is this so called surprise?

At TGS

Has it happened?