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TGM said:
iamdeath said:
TGM said:
iamdeath said:
TGM said:
iamdeath said:
TGM said:
I should have worded my post better. When i say "vita sucks" i mean it has no games really worth getting therefore there is really no reason why you should buy it right now.

Yes ive played one several times. i tried Mvc3, Uncharted and some puzzle game. It looked great and played great but 2 of those games are pretty much the same versions of the ones on the ps3 so again no need to buy them when i already have them.


Simply not true....... You played 2 games and 1 puzzle game so you are an expert? ROFL. Vita has dozens of great games now, persona 4 IMO is better then anything on 3ds. The show is the best portable sports game...ever. Killzone mercenary is amazing. GRavity rush is excellent as well, as virtues last reward, and many more. Not to mention, all those great iindies. I also missed out on the PSP so playing all those PSP games with improved visuals and I have a massiver backlog.

 

Sorry this vita has no games is a bs lie.


I never said i was an expert so dont put those words in my mouth. 

And when a console/handheld is said to have "no good games" it doesnt literally mean there are ZERO GOOD GAMES on the system. It means that the critics/public have deemed the system to have overall no good games. SALES proved this to be true. That is where i am coming from. If i was wrong, we would see Vitas fly off the shelves across america almost nonstop but the facts are that they simply are not. Thats all i am saying.

Disagree, price, market conditions are way more the reason vita started off slow, and lets not forget the memory cards...I do believe however, the system will pick up over time and have a healthy install base.

 

Public perception and media perception is often very skewed, People were still sayng just 2 years ago ps3 had no games...........................which is idiotic.

I agree it will pick up but i highly doubt it will ever catch and/or beat the 3ds. That was the reason why i posted in the first place. I was also saying 2nd place is indeed last place but it is NOT a bad thing as slong as you are making money. But if the vita is STILL selling at a loss AND it took a price cut, thats not good at all.

Who said it would beat 3ds. Why does it have to? It doesn't. Do we know for sure they are selling at a loss, I read at launch they were making a small profit on each unit, and then when you factor in the memory cards.......................


Well when you COMPETE with something/someone 99.99999999% of the time it is to be in 1st and not last. If Sony KNEW it couldnt win and decided to put out a system it knew would be in last place then..........LMAO

 

Get off you Sony fanboy wagon and realize i am not against Sony and i am not a "Nintendo iz da bezt" person. Sony has always had great products and and i have owned several of them but it bothers me when people leap on me for "insulting" Vita or PSP or ps3....ect. Accept it, Vita is in last place right now. YES it is a great system.YES it can change its momentum but it isnt likely.

Your post makes zero sense and is woefully inept at understand the marketplace and economics....So no one besides apple should launch a phone because they won't be first?????? What kind of arse backwards logic is this? No one should launch anything for a part of a market unless they dominate? The world and economics don't work that way.,



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landguy1 said:
Ps2 made Sony lose their heads. But, like others have said, the PSP might have failed here in the states, it was overall a borderline success.

Borderline success? 80 million units is border linenow? Well shit, the PS3 and 360 must still be in the failure zone :P

OT: I don't think Sony were ever really directly competing with Nintendo. It's like saying Toyota and Aston Martin are competing because they are both car makers (not saying either is better, as is the case with those two car companies, simply using an example). The PSP showed that with enough support, their strategy for hand held gaming is perfectly viable, and in-fact was rather successful. They just haven't haven't managed to pull of that support again, as s happening with the WiiU. Hopefully we will see both get the support they deserve in the future. (I especially hope the Vita can find it's ground again. It's a really brilliant piece of hardware, it's just lacking the games).



Also the Vita arrived a year after the 3DS came out, giving it opportunity to build a decent line up and undergo a price cut.

I think sony should have aimed to launch sooner seeing as they were the underdogs.



iamdeath said:
tbone51 said:
iamdeath said:


Vitas issues have ZERO to do with it being too high end, its not even that high end. Although Killzone mercenary looks amazing..

 

Vita willl be fine, its a marathon not a race. Doesn't need to outsell 3ds.



it cant either way. Will vita have 30mil lifetime? I think 35mil but i cant say for sure yet, Sony isn't supporting it as a handheld but as a controller/Indie Gaming!

Sony isn't supporting it?? Then why is KZ mercenary, Tearaway being made my sony first party. Why was Uncharted made? What aboput gravity rush?  Y's memory of celceta and FF X HD is coming in a few months. Why is more coming? Sorry that's BS.

I think he was more saying that the Vita isn't being supported by Sony as much as we'd like. Both those games look great, but it's a shadow of what the competition is pumping out.



Zekkyou said:
iamdeath said:
tbone51 said:
iamdeath said:


Vitas issues have ZERO to do with it being too high end, its not even that high end. Although Killzone mercenary looks amazing..

 

Vita willl be fine, its a marathon not a race. Doesn't need to outsell 3ds.



it cant either way. Will vita have 30mil lifetime? I think 35mil but i cant say for sure yet, Sony isn't supporting it as a handheld but as a controller/Indie Gaming!

Sony isn't supporting it?? Then why is KZ mercenary, Tearaway being made my sony first party. Why was Uncharted made? What aboput gravity rush?  Y's memory of celceta and FF X HD is coming in a few months. Why is more coming? Sorry that's BS.

I think he was more saying that the Vita isn't being supported by Sony as much as we'd like. Both those games look great, but it's a shadow of what the competition is pumping out.

Probably not, but it's not that easy. Sony is supporting PS4 at launch ps3, and vita, only so many resopurces to go around. What it needs is more third party, if they build the install base enough I think more of that will come.



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iamdeath said:
carlos3189 said:

Now, I really wanna see people reactions when PS4 doesn't sell what people are expecting...


Not going to happen. Pre-orders already are huge.

This is such an uninformed post it's not even funny anymore.

They always are, every console sells very very well at launch, 'cos that when the early adopters (fans) buy it. Pre-orders are huge, people get carried away, and headlines are made. After that short burst, it usually tapers off, fast (not counting the original Wii). Then again, that's common knowledge, and anyone seriously convinced PS4/X1 sales will not go way downhill fast as soon as we enter 2014 might be somewhat delusional and/or blinded by fandom. Pre-orders mean less than nothing. WiiU sold gangbusters at launch. There is absolutely zero reason to believe either PS4/X1 will see robust sales after launch, unless you're honestly convinced they're the next Wii.



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iamdeath said:

Your post makes zero sense and is woefully inept at understand the marketplace and economics....So no one besides apple should launch a phone because they won't be first?????? What kind of arse backwards logic is this? No one should launch anything for a part of a market unless they dominate? The world and economics don't work that way.,


We are not talking about phones dude.

We are talking 3ds vs psv. 

 

Are you literally telling me Sony produced a system in which the intent of it was to be anything but first in sales?

 

This quote tree was completely ridiculous.  Knock it off - Kresnik.




Cheebee said:
iamdeath said:
carlos3189 said:

Now, I really wanna see people reactions when PS4 doesn't sell what people are expecting...


Not going to happen. Pre-orders already are huge.

They always are, every console sells very very well at launch, 'cos that when the early adopters (fans) buy it. Pre-orders are huge, people get carried away, and headlines are made. After that short burst, it usually tapers off, fast (not counting the original Wii). Then again, that's common knowledge, and anyone seriously convinced PS4/X1 sales will not go way downhill fast as soon as we enter 2014 might be somewhat delusional and/or blinded by fandom. Pre-orders mean less than nothing. WiiU sold gangbusters at launch. There is absolutely zero reason to believe either PS4/X1 will see robust sales after launch, unless you're honestly convinced they're the next Wii.


Yeah but in comparison to history and the competition, ....it's way ahead.... There is more to it then launch , if that weere thew case why didn't wii-u, and why isn't x1 over 1 million already?

 

Wii-u never sold like gangbusters, PS4 is already more then doubled what wii-u did and we have 3 months to go......

 

They will go down yes...but PS4 will be a very strong console, most likely the best selling this gen.



TGM said:
iamdeath said:
TGM said:
iamdeath said:
TGM said:
iamdeath said:
TGM said:
iamdeath said:
TGM said:
I should have worded my post better. When i say "vita sucks" i mean it has no games really worth getting therefore there is really no reason why you should buy it right now.

Yes ive played one several times. i tried Mvc3, Uncharted and some puzzle game. It looked great and played great but 2 of those games are pretty much the same versions of the ones on the ps3 so again no need to buy them when i already have them.


Simply not true....... You played 2 games and 1 puzzle game so you are an expert? ROFL. Vita has dozens of great games now, persona 4 IMO is better then anything on 3ds. The show is the best portable sports game...ever. Killzone mercenary is amazing. GRavity rush is excellent as well, as virtues last reward, and many more. Not to mention, all those great iindies. I also missed out on the PSP so playing all those PSP games with improved visuals and I have a massiver backlog.

 

Sorry this vita has no games is a bs lie.


I never said i was an expert so dont put those words in my mouth. 

And when a console/handheld is said to have "no good games" it doesnt literally mean there are ZERO GOOD GAMES on the system. It means that the critics/public have deemed the system to have overall no good games. SALES proved this to be true. That is where i am coming from. If i was wrong, we would see Vitas fly off the shelves across america almost nonstop but the facts are that they simply are not. Thats all i am saying.

Disagree, price, market conditions are way more the reason vita started off slow, and lets not forget the memory cards...I do believe however, the system will pick up over time and have a healthy install base.

 

Public perception and media perception is often very skewed, People were still sayng just 2 years ago ps3 had no games...........................which is idiotic.

I agree it will pick up but i highly doubt it will ever catch and/or beat the 3ds. That was the reason why i posted in the first place. I was also saying 2nd place is indeed last place but it is NOT a bad thing as slong as you are making money. But if the vita is STILL selling at a loss AND it took a price cut, thats not good at all.

Who said it would beat 3ds. Why does it have to? It doesn't. Do we know for sure they are selling at a loss, I read at launch they were making a small profit on each unit, and then when you factor in the memory cards.......................


Well when you COMPETE with something/someone 99.99999999% of the time it is to be in 1st and not last. If Sony KNEW it couldnt win and decided to put out a system it knew would be in last place then..........LMAO

 

Get off you Sony fanboy wagon and realize i am not against Sony and i am not a "Nintendo iz da bezt" person. Sony has always had great products and and i have owned several of them but it bothers me when people leap on me for "insulting" Vita or PSP or ps3....ect. Accept it, Vita is in last place right now. YES it is a great system.YES it can change its momentum but it isnt likely.

Your post makes zero sense and is woefully inept at understand the marketplace and economics....So no one besides apple should launch a phone because they won't be first?????? What kind of arse backwards logic is this? No one should launch anything for a part of a market unless they dominate? The world and economics don't work that way.,


We are not talking about phones dude.

We are talking 3ds vs psv. 

 

Are you literally telling me Sony produced a system in which the intent of it was to be anything but first in sales?

It's the same thing, just bhecause Nintendo is the market leader doesn't mean sony cannot sell theri own abd be succeasfull PSP says Hi. Your thinking is woefully imept./

 

I am sure they would love to be first, but I doubt they thought they would beat 3ds, they never beat the original DS either but PSP was a good success. It's how it works....



iamdeath said:
TGM said:
iamdeath said:
TGM said:
iamdeath said:
TGM said:
iamdeath said:
TGM said:
iamdeath said:
TGM said:
I should have worded my post better. When i say "vita sucks" i mean it has no games really worth getting therefore there is really no reason why you should buy it right now.

Yes ive played one several times. i tried Mvc3, Uncharted and some puzzle game. It looked great and played great but 2 of those games are pretty much the same versions of the ones on the ps3 so again no need to buy them when i already have them.


Simply not true....... You played 2 games and 1 puzzle game so you are an expert? ROFL. Vita has dozens of great games now, persona 4 IMO is better then anything on 3ds. The show is the best portable sports game...ever. Killzone mercenary is amazing. GRavity rush is excellent as well, as virtues last reward, and many more. Not to mention, all those great iindies. I also missed out on the PSP so playing all those PSP games with improved visuals and I have a massiver backlog.

 

Sorry this vita has no games is a bs lie.


I never said i was an expert so dont put those words in my mouth. 

And when a console/handheld is said to have "no good games" it doesnt literally mean there are ZERO GOOD GAMES on the system. It means that the critics/public have deemed the system to have overall no good games. SALES proved this to be true. That is where i am coming from. If i was wrong, we would see Vitas fly off the shelves across america almost nonstop but the facts are that they simply are not. Thats all i am saying.

Disagree, price, market conditions are way more the reason vita started off slow, and lets not forget the memory cards...I do believe however, the system will pick up over time and have a healthy install base.

 

Public perception and media perception is often very skewed, People were still sayng just 2 years ago ps3 had no games...........................which is idiotic.

I agree it will pick up but i highly doubt it will ever catch and/or beat the 3ds. That was the reason why i posted in the first place. I was also saying 2nd place is indeed last place but it is NOT a bad thing as slong as you are making money. But if the vita is STILL selling at a loss AND it took a price cut, thats not good at all.

Who said it would beat 3ds. Why does it have to? It doesn't. Do we know for sure they are selling at a loss, I read at launch they were making a small profit on each unit, and then when you factor in the memory cards.......................


Well when you COMPETE with something/someone 99.99999999% of the time it is to be in 1st and not last. If Sony KNEW it couldnt win and decided to put out a system it knew would be in last place then..........LMAO

 

Get off you Sony fanboy wagon and realize i am not against Sony and i am not a "Nintendo iz da bezt" person. Sony has always had great products and and i have owned several of them but it bothers me when people leap on me for "insulting" Vita or PSP or ps3....ect. Accept it, Vita is in last place right now. YES it is a great system.YES it can change its momentum but it isnt likely.

Your post makes zero sense and is woefully inept at understand the marketplace and economics....So no one besides apple should launch a phone because they won't be first?????? What kind of arse backwards logic is this? No one should launch anything for a part of a market unless they dominate? The world and economics don't work that way.,


We are not talking about phones dude.

We are talking 3ds vs psv. 

 

Are you literally telling me Sony produced a system in which the intent of it was to be anything but first in sales?

It's the same thing, just bhecause Nintendo is the market leader doesn't mean sony cannot sell theri own abd be succeasfull PSP says Hi. Your thinking is woefully imept./

 

I am sure they would love to be first, but I doubt they thought they would beat 3ds, they never beat the original DS either but PSP was a good success. It's how it works....


I have already said nearly word for word what you just posted. Even of they are in last they still make money, build IPs, expand the sony brand....ect. Already mentioned this.