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CrashMan on 12 February 2008

On a seperate note, since this has turned in to a lot of philosophical debate, and most of the points went unanswered, I like to think about some other possibilites.

There is the theory along side the The Big Bang, that states the Universe is starting to, or will collapse back in to how it was before the big bang.

If this is true, theoretically this could have happened an infinte amount of time and there have been infinite universes with infinite civilizations. And isn't it also possible that in the infinites of space , multiple big bangs could occur, with multiple expansions and collapses happening quadrillions of miles beyond the limits of our universe's mass radius.

Interesting things to think about in my opininion



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Final-Fan on 12 February 2008
Final-Fan said:
senseinobaka said:
Final-Fan said:
Question: At the end of the day, are there going to be people alive who are not Jehovah's Witnesses? You say vagabond is wrong to say "no", but your following explanation does not verify this point.

I'm not sure what you mean by "at the end of the day" so I'm gonna assume:

1)If you mean after Armegeddon, the answer is yes. You will have survivors of armegeddon and then you will have people being resurrected both righteous and unrighteous. The vast majority of those resurrected will not be Jehovah's Witnesses.

2)If you mean after everyone is resurrected and gods kingdom is over the entire earth. Then the answer is in a way no. Those who are resurrected or those who survive armegeddon that decide to follow satan will recieve second death. So that leaves only worshipers of God in god's kingdom.

[irrelevant portion excised to conserve space]

[irrelevant portion excised for space, and by the way I do appreciate that you took the time to answer both possible interpretations of my question.]

But back on topic: It's follow God or follow Satan? No middle ground? (Not surprising but just making sure.)
It's understandable that this got lost in the shuffle, considering the size and number of recent posts, but I would like a concrete answer. Based on other posts I'm certain the answer is "yes" but I would like confirmation.

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facher83 on 12 February 2008
CrashMan said:
On a seperate note, since this has turned in to a lot of philosophical debate, and most of the points went unanswered, I like to think about some other possibilites.

There is the theory along side the The Big Bang, that states the Universe is starting to, or will collapse back in to how it was before the big bang.

If this is true, theoretically this could have happened an infinte amount of time and there have been infinite universes with infinite civilizations. And isn't it also possible that in the infinites of space , multiple big bangs could occur, with multiple expansions and collapses happening quadrillions of miles beyond the limits of our universe's mass radius.

Interesting things to think about in my opininion

 With the fairly proven existence of black holes, the theory of white holes is floating around more as decades pass, which is exactly the opposite of sucking things in.... shooting things out.  Some believe White Holes could be big bangs, along with the idea that Big Bangs could be more than one occasion... multiple universes out there, but so far away we couldn't even fathom finding them at this point - it took so long just to find another galaxy.



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Checkers Age and replayability > Halo Age and replayability

Therefore, Checkers > Halo

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Final-Fan on 12 February 2008
CrashMan said:
On a seperate note, since this has turned in to a lot of philosophical debate, and most of the points went unanswered, I like to think about some other possibilites.

There is the theory along side the The Big Bang, that states the Universe is starting to, or will collapse back in to how it was before the big bang.

If this is true, theoretically this could have happened an infinte amount of time and there have been infinite universes with infinite civilizations. And isn't it also possible that in the infinites of space , multiple big bangs could occur, with multiple expansions and collapses happening quadrillions of miles beyond the limits of our universe's mass radius.

Interesting things to think about in my opininion
Yeah, but it's my understanding that the currently predominant scientific opinion is that the universe won't eventually do that.  It'll just expand (forever, I think) and everything will eventually die.  Depressing if they're right. 

 



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facher83 on 12 February 2008

Animaniacs video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_J5rBxeTIk

Wacko's Universe? It's a thoughtful video at any rate



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facher83 on 12 February 2008

Excuse Me, Yakko's Universe



Numbers: Checker Players > Halo Players

Checkers Age and replayability > Halo Age and replayability

Therefore, Checkers > Halo

So, Checkers is a better game than Halo.

CrashMan on 12 February 2008

They sure don't make shows like that any more :(



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facher83 on 12 February 2008
Final-Fan said:
CrashMan said:
On a seperate note, since this has turned in to a lot of philosophical debate, and most of the points went unanswered, I like to think about some other possibilites.

There is the theory along side the The Big Bang, that states the Universe is starting to, or will collapse back in to how it was before the big bang.

If this is true, theoretically this could have happened an infinte amount of time and there have been infinite universes with infinite civilizations. And isn't it also possible that in the infinites of space , multiple big bangs could occur, with multiple expansions and collapses happening quadrillions of miles beyond the limits of our universe's mass radius.

Interesting things to think about in my opininion
Yeah, but it's my understanding that the currently predominant scientific opinion is that the universe won't eventually do that. It'll just expand (forever, I think) and everything will eventually die. Depressing if they're right.

 


 Celestial bodies can eventually break free from a gravitational pull just by distance alone... which mean, whilc both are not proven, the universe expanding to the point of no return is possible, along with still having enough gravity to pull everything back.

The question is does the universe have enough gravity to pull itself back together before it's too late - wat, too late?  We don't -want- everything to collapse!



Numbers: Checker Players > Halo Players

Checkers Age and replayability > Halo Age and replayability

Therefore, Checkers > Halo

So, Checkers is a better game than Halo.

CrashMan on 12 February 2008

What happens when galaxies on the edge of 2 expanding universes expand in to each other. Planets crashing in to planets, Mass disaster! Yet we would most likely never know...



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Final-Fan on 12 February 2008

No, I totally would like the universe to do that instead of just die. Most likely everything would be dead by the time a Big Crunch happened anyway.



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