Ah so you have resorted to arguing any point not in nintendos favour is irrelevant...They surely aren'r or Steam, PSn and Xbox live wouldnt have them... People cried for trophies so Sony added them. Ridiculous arguments. Thats is not even an arguement.

How do you know you need to rebuy? Assume much? What idf you never owned a ps3 but got a PS4 also?

PS: PS4 and x1 do a lot more the just gaming.

bolded: that won't happen, the last time something like that happened we received the dreamcast. it is a mistake to kill a console instead of investing in it. by your logic they should have dropped the 3ds too, right?

bolded2: not quite, the virtual boy was in a far too different situation and wii u is not selling worse than it. and the reason for wii u selling badly was always games.

the rest: there's barely any reason for IF's, quality software sells hardware.

i resorted to saying an irrelevant point is irrelevant, like I said about the ones in nintendo's favour.

ps3 owners will have to rebuy to play on ps4. and being cloud based means it's dependant on a service that may go down.

so does wii u but this is a gaming discussion.

You are so hilariously biased I honestly don't think I should respond at all. Especially considering I feel the WiiU is a very close second favorite this gen (Already have one and I love it.)  That said, hooooolyyyy shit your arguments are terrible!  

1 - Hard drive size counts.  Don't pretend it doesn't, especially in an age that's pushing digital over retail so enthusiastically and completely.  claiming the contrary is just ten kinds of ignorant. 

2 - yes, having discs with more space is kind of a big deal.  I will always believe that it is quality over quantity, but the wiiU only has so much room to expand, whereas the PS4 and XBO both have a lot of room to expand and grow.  This will matter late in the gen. 

3 - it may not be 10x, but that's just you splitting hairs and arguing semantics.  The point still stands, the PS4 has AT LEAST 4x the raw power.  4x the ram, better ram, and a much, MUCH more powerful processor.  Not to mention half of the WiiU's Ram goes to its OS.  big deal. 

4 - PSN is awesome, PSN+ is one of the greatest deals in gaming.  yes, the WiiU's online is free, and it's not terrible, but it's nowhere near as good as the XB1 and PS4's online.  Plus, it takes a tonne of crap to unify your accounts on 3DS and WiiU.  I'm rather online savvy, and it took me and two friends a whole afternoon to figure it all out by linking it to my Nintendo Rewards program...and it's still not actually unified.  if I get money on my 3DS, it's not on my "Nintendo Eshop account", it's on my 3DS.  not like the PSN where I put 20 bucks on, and it applies to the Vita and PS3 and PS4, same with PS+.  HUUUUUUGE difference.

5 - Sorry, Miiverse isn't anything special.  I love the WiiU, but that's like, one of its least useful features.  Some people like it, and that's fine, but don't play it off as a game changer.  I can't speak for PS4's social features either since I'm still not sold on them, either. 

6 - yeah, WiiU has the most impressive looking game list right now, and its holiday 2013 will be amazing, but it also has a year's head start, and if last gen is any indication, Sony's releases will be slow-burn and will end up well ahead of WiiU's.  Realistically, Sony has the best third party support, is easily winning in indie support, has some of the best exclusives, and as such has the best overall library.  I love WiiU's games, and I personally think nothing compares to Nintendo's first party titles, but don't pretend that just first party stuff and lackluster third party support and practically no indies in any way compares to the great trifecta that Sony has at its command. 

7 - if the Vita can't be considered a feature, then Wiimotes can't be considered a feature.  Simple as that. Price is comparable, and both assume that you bought into previous efforts.  50 bucks per wiimote, 25 per nunchuck, all x4 is 300 bucks.  same price as a Vita.  

I know you love the WiiU, but you really can't twist and contort the facts and realities of the situation to pretend it's some colossal competitor.  It's a niche system with some great first party games, a companion piece, not the centerpiece.  Same as the Wii was, as Nintendo made it clear when they said, "We want people to own a PS3 AND a Wii, or an 360 AND a Wii", the same thing applies here, and that's precisely the mentality I'm buying into.  

In reality, let's see what Nintendo has...price and backwards compatibility.  Game list is better now, but it's also been out for a year.  

be realistic. 

WiiU discs can go up to 50 GBs, same as PS4/XboxOne

Gotta love the 3DS comparisons.

No, the system can recognize a Ps3 disc.................

What's wrong with comparing two recent consoles manufatured by Nintendo with anemic and sad launches eventually met with a tonne of support and love doubled with a price reduction?  

Both look to be taking the same route, so I fail to see the problem.  Nintendo fixed the 3DS with tonnes of support, love, and quality games, why can't they be expected to do the same for the WiiU? 

True, but I can't play my Lord of the Rings Extended trilogy on my WiiU.  I mean, who DOESN'T have a blu-ray player now, but let's be honest, it does mean one can't realistically enjoy ONLY having a WiiU in their living room.  Gotta have that and one of the others.