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pezus said:
thranx said:
pezus said:
Maybe I am missing something, but why don't they just fire the employees? Surely that has to be better than giving them pay for doing nothing


"Basically, banishment rooms are departments where companies transfer surplus employees and give them menial or useless tasks or even nothing to do until they become depressed or disheartened enough to quit on their own, thus not getting full benefits, unlike if they were actually let go"  Its in the op. It must be cheaper to pay them to do nothing, but not have to worry about benifits when they quit.

I'm just wondering what those benefits are. Pay for a few months I guess, but what else?


Well, for one Japan has the idea of "Employment for Life."  Or more accurately "Employment until Japan's mandatory retirement age, then reemployment at a much reduced wage... possibly lower then when you started."  So it's actually very hard to fire someone.

In general, just firing too many people could damage your brand locally.... because the Japanese actually care about that kind of stuff.  That's why Japan actually keeps a fair amount of factory work inside it's country.

Also... for a more... substatial version of the story....


http://ajw.asahi.com/article/behind_news/social_affairs/AJ201301290071



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Oh and the best stat from that article I posted?

According to Cabinet Office statistics as of last September, up to 4.65 million workers in Japan are effectively "out of a job" despite being on payrolls. The figure represents nearly 10 percent of Japan's working population.



Zappykins said:
While I am coming at it from a different culture, this sounds absolutely terrible. Seems like it might break a few people or cause them to consider suicide, or worse.

In California, an 'At Will' state, they can fire you, at any moment, for any reason (other than the protected ones: Race, Colour, Religion, Creed, National Origin, Sexual Orientation, etc.) But if you show up in a blue tie, and boss doesn't like blue ties, they can fire you for that.

Depending on your the nature job, they might not have to give you 2 week pay either. But that depends on the situation.


Well it's not like this is completely foreign in the US either.

It's pretty common in Union based jobs.

For example, the Education System's  "Rubber Rooms".

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/08/31/090831fa_fact_brill



enditall727 said:

Companies pretty much do that here in America

 

Off Topic: I actually correctly guessed the thread creator before clicking the link. Lol This is one of the 1st times i did this

If it's news praising the Xbox or something negative towards Sony or Playstation, you can generally guess with a fair degree of accuracy who it will be :P



Zekkyou said:
enditall727 said:

Companies pretty much do that here in America

Off Topic: I actually correctly guessed the thread creator before clicking the link. Lol This is one of the 1st times i did this

If it's news praising the Xbox or something negative towards Sony or Playstation, you can generally guess with a fair degree of accuracy who it will be :P


Wow, clearly I am being much to fair in my postings. While I did get accused a few times on just about everything.  Guess I didn't make it as a fan. 

I'll just stick to things I find that are interesting that I think are worth sharing.

Congratulations Nsanity!  Wear your title proud!



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

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Very common, though still not acceptable.



A negative article towards Sony by Nsanity? Didn't see that one coming...



George Costanza's Rules For Working

Rule No. 1 - Never walk without a document in your hands. People with documents in their hands look like hardworking employees heading for important meetings. People with nothing in their hands look like they're heading for the cafeteria. People with a newspaper in their hand look like they're heading for the toilet. Above all, make sure you carry loads of stuff home with you at night, thus generating the false impression that you work longer hours than you do.

Rule No. 2 - Use computers to look busy. Any time you use a computer, it looks like "work" to the casual observer. You can send and receive personal e-mail, chat, and generally have a blast without doing anything remotely related to work. These aren't exactly the societal benefits that the proponents of the computer revolution would like to talk about but they're not bad either. When you get caught by your boss -- and you will get caught -- your best defence is to claim you're teaching yourself to use new software, thus saving valuable training dollars.

Rule No. 3 - Keep a messy desk. Top management can get away with a clean desk. For the rest of us, it looks like we're not working hard enough. Build huge piles of documents around your workspace. To the observer, last year's work looks the same as today's work; it's volume that counts. Pile them high and wide. If you know somebody is coming to your cubicle, bury the document you'll need halfway down in an existing stack and rummage for it when he/she arrives.

Rule No. 4 - Use voice mail. Never answer your phone if you have voice mail. People don't call you just because they want to give you something for nothing -- they call because they want you to do work for them. That's no way to live. Screen all your calls through voice mail. If somebody leaves a voice-mail message for you and it sounds like impending work, respond during lunch hour when you know they're not there -- it looks like you're hardworking and conscientious even though you're being a devious weasel.

Rule No. 5 - Look impatient & annoyed. One should also always try to look impatient and annoyed to give your bosses the impression that you are always busy.

Rule No. 6 - Leave the office late. Always leave the office late, especially when the boss is still around. You could read magazines and storybooks that you always wanted to read but have no time until late before leaving. Make sure you walk past the boss' room on your way out. Send important e-mail at unearthly hours (e.g. 9:35 p.m., 7:05 a.m., etc.) and during public holidays.

Rule No. 7 - Use sighing for effect. Sigh loudly when there are many people around, giving the impression that you are under extreme pressure.

Rule No. 8 - Opt for the stacking strategy. It is not enough to pile lots of documents on the table. Put lots of books on the floor etc. (thick computer manuals are the best).

Rule No. 9 - Build your vocabulary. Read up on some computer magazines and pick out all the jargon and new products. Use the phrases freely when in conversation with bosses. Remember; they don't have to understand what you say, but you sure sound impressive.

Rule No. 10 - Don't get caught. MOST IMPORTANT: Don't forward this to your boss by mistake!

http://au.askmen.com/daily/jokes/2005_sep/sep30.html



 

 

Fusioncode said:
Sounds like a challenge. I'd hold off quitting as long as I can just to piss off the executives.

You'd think most people would, but in Japan, likely the shame of knowing what was being done to you would lead you to resign, but in America it'd be something like "I'm so incompetent that the only thing they can do with me is pay me all day to watch TV. SWEET!" Reminds me of that character Wally from Dilbert who is trying to get fired so he can get severance.

I suppose if you really wanted to leave but also wanted to get severance, you could start being as obnoxious as possible without veering into realms that would void your benefits (like sexual harassment, theft or property damage, etc).



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Nsanity said:

While business circles are trying to make it smoother and easier for companies to let go of employees (with full benefits of course) they feel lack initiative and drive and are not a good fit, it’s having a reverse effect on employers. Those who want to fire certain workers but cannot bring themselves to do so are using “banishment rooms” to indirectly force them to resign on their own.

Basically, banishment rooms are departments where companies transfer surplus employees and give them menial or useless tasks or even nothing to do until they become depressed or disheartened enough to quit on their own, thus not getting full benefits, unlike if they were actually let go. Imagine having to stare at a TV monitor for 10 hours at a time each day, in order to look for “program footage irregularities.” Of course companies would not admit to doing this, and instead will make up generic (or even creative) titles and department names like “Business & Human Resource Development Center” or “career development team”. And it’s not small companies that are doing this, but big ones like Hitachi Ltd., Sony Corp., Toshiba Corp., Seiko Instruments Inc., a NEC Corp.subsidiary, and two subsidiaries of Panasonic Corp.

A public relations from the main office of Panasonic said that the BHC section is “training employees to acquire new skills so they can work at different sections,”. 468 employees were added to this department in April, mostly coming from sections that were doing poorly. In short, 1 in 10 workers at the company are at the BHC. So far, only 35 employees have left the company while 29 got transferred to other departments.

Understandably, it is difficult to get exact numbers or details about whether or not companies do have these “banishment rooms” because no company would officially admit to doing so and would probably say that employees who claim this are just bitter. But either way, business circles are determined to overhaul Japan’s problematic business practices in order for employers to fire workers for the reason that the company needs to move quickly to “seize growth potential.”

http://japandailypress.com/japanese-companies-using-banishment-rooms-to-push-employees-to-resign-3029793/

Ha. Sounds like the dream job for some people in this site whose only intent is to find negative information about a specific company.