Is multiplayer crippling Mario 3D World's level design?

TheLastStarFighter

Currently Offline

25,033

5151 posts since 14/11/12

Recent Badges:

10 Years Has been a VGChartz member for over 10 years.
Making Friends 10 friends on gamrConnect.
Littlest Genocide 1,000 posts on the gamrConnect forums.
Breaking Out Managed to avoid being banned for 1 year.
First Rung Of The Ladder Earned 10,000 gamrPoints
Trust Me, It'll Have Legs 100 replies made to user's most popular thread.

TheLastStarFighter on 20 August 2013

curl-6 said:

TheLastStarFighter said:
There are also many people (especially women) that have a difficult time with 3D visualization

Haha, oh yes I did! And not being sexist or anything. It's actually a bizzare scientific fact. A very large percentage of women (vs a very small percentage of men) have very poor 3D visualization. That's why there are almost no female Air Traffic Contollers - they can't pass the testing. As a result many women get disoriented playing 3D games with rapid changing perspectives. It's one reason so many women love Nintendo games and 2D Mario in particular. Limiting the 3D Mario viewing perspective can greatly expand it's potential audience.

blackmagicwolf

Currently Offline

1,941

578 posts since 05/07/12

Recent Badges:

2 Years Has been a VGChartz member for over 2 years.
13 Years Has been a VGChartz member for over 13 years.
Leaving Limbo 100 posts on the gamrConnect forums.
'Ello Princess! Awarded for signing up.
7 Years Has been a VGChartz member for over 7 years.
6 Years Has been a VGChartz member for over 6 years.

blackmagicwolf on 20 August 2013

I honestly didn't know that, interesting....

In case you didn't know, I have a comic book called Guardians. I'm the writer/creator of it, and we have four issues out right now, with our fifth coming out soon!

We're also doing a Patreon right now for the comic, and I'd appreciate any and all help in getting it funded. If 56 people pledged $3 per issue, we'll be funded

To pledge, click here. Please join Team Guardians!

Lonely_Dolphin

Currently Offline

70,842

17152 posts since 26/03/13

Recent Badges:

Open For Business Earned 10 badges.
3 Years Has been a VGChartz member for over 3 years.
8 Years Has been a VGChartz member for over 8 years.
2 Years Has been a VGChartz member for over 2 years.
Trust Me, It'll Have Legs 100 replies made to user's most popular thread.
7 Years Has been a VGChartz member for over 7 years.

Lonely_Dolphin on 21 August 2013

Arius Dion said:

Einsam_Delphin said:

brute said:

Einsam_Delphin said:

Sometimes when you try to please everyone you end up pissing off everyone lol. Case in point.

But forum go-ers aren't everyone!

Soundwave

Currently Offline

142,065

24451 posts since 23/04/09

Recent Badges:

4 Years Has been a VGChartz member for over 4 years.
8 Years Has been a VGChartz member for over 8 years.
6 Years Has been a VGChartz member for over 6 years.
9 Years Has been a VGChartz member for over 9 years.
Genocide 5,000 posts on the gamrConnect forums.
A Civilized Man Managed to avoid being banned for 5 years.

Soundwave on 21 August 2013

TheLastStarFighter said:
No, I don't think multiplayer is the issue. Nintendo took this approach with 3DLand as well. It's really more of a focus of making a 3D Mario that is more "playable" and incorporates classic Mario elements. There's been many times when I was playing Mario Galaxy when I longed for the classic-style power ups (no life bar) and more traditionally styled worlds in a 3D Mario. 3DWorld gives this. There are also many people (especially women) that have a difficult time with 3D visualization when there is a roaming camera. A more locked camera perspective allows those people to play and enjoy a 3D game. I think the classic play and more accessible viewpoint are reasons why 3D Land has been a big success, and Nintendo wanted to continue this with 3Dworld while bringing in multiplayer, which is awesome.

I think the biggest problem with 3DWorld is in presentation. It's neither groundbreaking, nor does it have the "style" of Galaxy. The music is also nowhere close from what we have seen so far. Galaxy felt "fresh" while this game is more "classic". Contrary to what many say I think the visuals are better than Galaxy and the levels more detailed... they just don't have the cool space backgrounds and flipping camera angles.

I'm really looking forward to the game because it brings a lot of what I have wanted in a 3D Mario to life. I do wish the style or theme was a little more original though, and that the music and that orchestrated drama of Galaxy. The true game may have these things, but we haven't seen it yet.

The NBSM presentation aesthetic really is a blight on Nintendo, I think its seeped into the new Zelda game on the 3DS too.

If there's one good thing that comes from NSMBU underperforming it's that it might be a wake up call at Nintendo that presentation actually matters, even in a Mario game. It's probably too late to benefit 3D World though as that game was probably well into development already before NSMBU came out.

Arius Dion

Currently Offline

11,214

2448 posts since 24/10/08

Recent Badges:

9 Years Has been a VGChartz member for over 9 years.
3 Years Has been a VGChartz member for over 3 years.
8 Years Has been a VGChartz member for over 8 years.
The Nuts & Bolts Add a total of 25 games to your collection.
Mirror Image Awarded for uploading an avatar.
50 in One Add a total of 50 games to your collection.

Arius Dion on 21 August 2013

Einsam_Delphin said:

Arius Dion said:

Einsam_Delphin said:

brute said:

Einsam_Delphin said:

Sometimes when you try to please everyone you end up pissing off everyone lol. Case in point.

But forum go-ers aren't everyone!

Agreed! According to forum goers, Gamecube was Nintendo's greatest console, DD the greatest MK game, WW the greatest Zelda game, and Sunshine was amazing. Meanwhile in the real world, Gamecube was their biggest home console flop, as well as each game mentioned being on the lower end of sales for respective franchises. : )

Bet between Slimbeast and Arius Dion about Wii sales 2009:

If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.

curl-6

Currently Online

395,596

44160 posts since 30/04/10

Recent Badges:

Freezing Logged in on Christmas day.
One Small 'Splosion Author of 100 forum threads.
Breaking Out Managed to avoid being banned for 1 year.
14 Years Has been a VGChartz member for over 14 years.
Killer Scorpion Earned 60 badges.
A Civilized Man Managed to avoid being banned for 5 years.

curl-6 on 21 August 2013

Arius Dion said:

Agreed! According to forum goers, Gamecube was Nintendo's greatest console, DD the greatest MK game, WW the greatest Zelda game, and Sunshine was amazing. Meanwhile in the real world, Gamecube was their biggest home console flop, as well as each game mentioned being on the lower end of sales for respective franchises. : )

Yeah, forum-goers are of the age now where those who grew up with the Gamecube are make up a large chunk, so the Gamecube gets a hugely disproportionate amount of worship.