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NYANKS on 15 August 2013
sales2099 said:
zumnupy10 said:
There was no way Sony wouldn't put MP behind paywall after seeing MS numbers.

True, it always made good business sense, but I imagine they held onto free online as a PR measure to their fans. Now, they did the impossible and are starting to convince fans that paywall is in their best interests.

Must say, I am genuinely impressed with their marketing of it all, being able to do a complete shift and their audience loving them for it.


They were in the fans good graces after E3, so one bad but understandable thing in the face of all the good wasn't too bad.  I don't think anyone loves Sony doing it, but they tolerate it.  People have showed they're willing to pay, so it's silly for Sony to miss out on so much money.



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Arius Dion on 15 August 2013

That's actually a good chunk of change for them. Although I don't like the idea of a paywall, money talks I suppose.



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Conina on 15 August 2013

Since MP for PS3 stays free, I don't see $1.2bn PS+ revenue in 2014 or even 2015. They have to sell a lot of PS4s to get to these numbers.



Areym on 15 August 2013

I won't be up at night now that online requires payment, especially with the value that PS+ can bring to a gamer. I have not gotten it before because I have gamefly already and I don't have that much time to play games anyways so I would feel like i'm basically wasting money by not playing all of the free games

We'll see how Sony handles convincing the online community that PS+ is worth $5 a month.



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MoHasanie on 15 August 2013
Conina said:
Since MP for PS3 stays free, I don't see $1.2bn PS+ revenue in 2014 or even 2015. They have to sell a lot of PS4s to get to these numbers.

Wow, I had no idea PS3 online remains free. For Sony to make $1.2bn, they need 24 million subcribers and that probably won't happen until 2016. 



    

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dsgrue3 on 15 August 2013
sales2099 said:

You don't know if it will be a snap. To me anyway, it doesn't matter if there isn't a choice anymore since both do it, for a PS gamer who exclusively plays on PS consoles, it is a change and there will be a transition phase. But I guess we will wait and see.

When I went to purchase a 360, I knew and expected it because the predesessor did it. PS3 as it stands was free and still is, as PS Plus is optional.

So it isn't quite the same scenario with PS4, as PS3 is optional, and yet PS4 is mandatory, where as Xbox was always mandatory. That was my point.

I think your fundamental argument is "I hope consumers will be upset that Sony is now charging for multiplayer."

The reality of the situation is that when weighing options, this fact is nearly obsolete.



I LOVE GIGGS on 15 August 2013

In my opinion, $4.7b is too low. I'd say at least $6.0b, which is 28% more than what they estimated.
If we assumed that 25m subscribed for last year, that's $1.5b on last year alone.
Note: $4.7b/$55 = ~85.5m subscribers in 8 years.



Conina on 15 August 2013
MoHasanie said:
Conina said:
Since MP for PS3 stays free, I don't see $1.2bn PS+ revenue in 2014 or even 2015. They have to sell a lot of PS4s to get to these numbers.

Wow, I had no idea PS3 online remains free. For Sony to make $1.2bn, they need 24 million subcribers and that probably won't happen until 2016. 


http://www.computerandvideogames.com/413102/interviews/the-ps4-interview-shuhei-yoshida/

"What we internally discussed and decided is that we will continue the free access to online play on PS3 and Vita, so that's clear."



sales2099 on 15 August 2013
dsgrue3 said:
sales2099 said:

You don't know if it will be a snap. To me anyway, it doesn't matter if there isn't a choice anymore since both do it, for a PS gamer who exclusively plays on PS consoles, it is a change and there will be a transition phase. But I guess we will wait and see.

When I went to purchase a 360, I knew and expected it because the predesessor did it. PS3 as it stands was free and still is, as PS Plus is optional.

So it isn't quite the same scenario with PS4, as PS3 is optional, and yet PS4 is mandatory, where as Xbox was always mandatory. That was my point.

I think your fundamental argument is "I hope consumers will be upset that Sony is now charging for multiplayer."

The reality of the situation is that when weighing options, this fact is nearly obsolete.

Not upset as much as surprised. I just believe it won't be met with open arms either, just as Live was in 2002. 

It isn't crazy to think it would take a few years for PS Plus to truly explode in subs on PS4. Thats all.



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CDiablo on 15 August 2013

I dont think its low seeing that i believe that PS+ is mostly a money losing venture. Ive seen the free games thing as a way to attract people to the platform and they likely lose money from most subscribers. Cant give away multiple newer retail games a month and make money. They loss lead so that people will buy more software/dlc on their system and hope to make it up.



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